Author Topic: Airbus secures $20 billion order for A350s and A380s (Read 1425 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #45 on:** November 13, 2007, 02:26:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
It is true that it is just my opinion, however like 2bighorn has shown Airbus seriously outsold Boeing in the Dubai air show; even the A350 outsold the 787 by more than double. I doubt it is just because Airbus makes better planes.

Yes, selling airplanes at almost cost and writing it all off on the EU governments (taxes you pay) will definately sell more planes! Great for the customer, sucks for the taxpayers in the EU though.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #46 on:** November 13, 2007, 02:27:19 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
See Rule #5

Viking · « **Reply #47 on:** November 13, 2007, 03:30:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yes, selling airplanes at almost cost and writing it all off on the EU governments (taxes you pay) will definately sell more planes! Great for the customer, sucks for the taxpayers in the EU though.

And how do you know this? I bet you don't, and your post is just the result of wounded pride. Also, I don't pay tax to the EU.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #48 on:** November 13, 2007, 04:25:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
And how do you know this? I bet you don't, and your post is just the result of wounded pride. Also, I don't pay tax to the EU.

Wounded pride? Hardly...airbus as been a competitor since before I hired on at Boeing in 1979. Competitors are what capitalism is all about, my socialist friend.

Viking · « **Reply #49 on:** November 13, 2007, 04:27:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
... my socialist friend.

Hey ... I resent that remark! I'm not a socialist.

Torque · « **Reply #50 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:49:42 PM »

and they'll sell their oil in euros to pay for the planes in euro... which means no more free socialist lunches for rip and boeing and america.

oh... the irony of these closet socialist.

moot · « **Reply #51 on:** November 14, 2007, 01:20:34 AM »

Thanks Bighorn.

-tronski- · « **Reply #52 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:53:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yes, selling airplanes at almost cost and writing it all off on the EU governments (taxes you pay) will definately sell more planes! Great for the customer, sucks for the taxpayers in the EU though.

Govts. prop up industries across the globe...Airbus is not special in that regard

Tronsky

Yeager · « **Reply #53 on:** November 14, 2007, 09:28:07 AM »

well, its a complicated business, this building airplanes thing. and the competition between capitalist and socialist economies is bound to become more intense as time goes by.

AB has definately benifited by having a common family of airplanes developed all within a relatively short time span where technology has pretty much stabilized, whereas BA has developed its family of airplanes over a 50 year period of time with all manner of technologies being incorporated along the way. This sort of ad hoc approach has been difficult to manage but the success so far has proven BA to be world class beyond doubt. I for one think the US government will not allow its airplane manufactoring base to be defeated by white tail socialist subsidies. That would be a national disaster. But, BA needs to be profitable whereas AB apparently does not, all AB needs to do is break even. We shall see.

Viking · « **Reply #54 on:** November 14, 2007, 10:02:51 AM »

Airbus is a private corporation just like Boeing. If they only break even I don't think their investors will be very happy. Like Boeing Airbus needs to be profitable. You can buy stock in EADS just as you can with Boeing.

Denholm · « **Reply #55 on:** November 14, 2007, 10:06:09 AM »

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Part1: So did fish...

Part 2: If those Arab innovators were alive today, they wouldn't recognize what their own people have turned themselves into. And if the spirit of their inventiveness is any illustration of their character, they would surely not be proud of their descendants...

I totally agree with you on part 2, however not on part 1.

Neubob · « **Reply #56 on:** November 14, 2007, 10:46:03 AM »

Not a believer in evolution, or just not a fan of the comparison?

moot · « **Reply #57 on:** November 14, 2007, 11:45:08 AM »

The hubris thing... I don't think there's anything arrogant about it. It's their cash, theirs to waste - I don't care so long as it doesn't directly interfere with how I spend mine.
You could probably turn anything into arrogance, e.g. average people's insistence on mediocre standards and tiny little earthly wants that mean nothing in terms of human progress, that's arrogant enough.. When you consider the worthlessness of those pursuits, it's easily arrogant of people to pretend it's a better choice to stick to comforts of a beaten path rather than get out of that comfort zone.
Now that's off topic.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #58 on:** November 23, 2007, 09:00:59 PM »

After a good showing in Dubai, this is announced:

Due to the Euro / Dollar excahnge rate,

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Enders indicated to unions that Airbus could shift an increasing proportion of R&D activities to countries outside Europe and would have to move more production to dollar-zone economies.

"We need to question our business model. It is no longer sustainable," he said.

Viking · « **Reply #59 on:** November 23, 2007, 09:21:35 PM »

Yes, if the once mighty Dollar continues to free-fall it will have serious global repercussions.