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Offline crockett

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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2007, 10:28:46 PM »
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Sure, I agree with that as well, but thats not why most of these guys are crying over it. We both know its because they fear losing their free music.


But yes I agree the feds passing laws like this for the RIAA is a bit much, they SHOULD just help them procecute the theives. ;)


Maybe they should start passing laws to go after big corporate thieves at the same rate they pass laws to go after average Joe nobodies. Now that would be something..
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2007, 10:54:30 PM »
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Maybe they should start passing laws to go after big corporate thieves at the same rate they pass laws to go after average Joe nobodies. Now that would be something..


It would indeed.

Those Corporate types have good lawyers though and the money to buy people.

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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2007, 01:10:28 AM »
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Theft of any kind is wrong.


Does that include price fixing and other monopolistic and predatory tactics the music and movie industry engages in?

Piracy is working as a weapon for the consumer to fight for their rights and needs in the absense of fair market forces, R5 DVD sales have proven so.

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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2007, 02:22:04 AM »
I dl music on the net. If i like it ill buy the album on cd and if i dont i delete if from the pc. Who wants crappy music filling up the drives anyway?

Is it stealing? Yes, until i buy the album it is.

Do I care?

No.. I see it as listening to it on the radio before buying (or not). You never get to hear every song from an album on the radio anyway so I see dl it from the net as doing the artists job of promoting the music to me.

I buy about 5-10 cds a month and my vinyl collection stands at 988 LP/EPs and singles. I also have 1143 cd's

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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2007, 02:49:42 AM »
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Sure, I agree with that as well, but thats not why most of these guys are crying over it. We both know its because they fear losing their free music.  


Well MrRiplEy[H] is in Finland so I don't think he is overly concerned about losing his free music, if indeed he does pirate music. He is a wee bit outside your jurisdiction. Your reasoning seems flawed.

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2007, 02:50:58 AM »
Chinese bootlegs don't count Nils!;)
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2007, 03:03:28 AM »
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Chinese bootlegs don't count Nils!;)


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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2007, 03:26:07 AM »
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Most music now days is crappy remakes of great music from decades ago, or unintelligible jibberish screamed into a microphone, or just sucks beyond description.


exactly right, and besides it aint worth the risk of being forced to watch an endless loop of ' who wants to be a superhero? ' in pergatory for a few thousand millennia. ;)

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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2007, 03:51:41 AM »
There are people making truly original and excellent music out there, but you won't hear them on MTV or mainstream radio; you have to really search hard for them. Pandora was an excellent tool to find new music until RIAA neutered them.

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 04:37:27 AM »
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There are people making truly original and excellent music out there, but you won't hear them on MTV or mainstream radio; you have to really search hard for them. Pandora was an excellent tool to find new music until RIAA neutered them.


Exactly, it's like RIAA is doing it's best to make sure people will not discover any new artists through the internet.
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2007, 04:39:49 AM »
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LOL..

Instead of worrying about a law that 'might' be passed,  you might want to focus a little closer to home.....

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7092413.stm


Hmm I fail to see how centuries old laws protecting the prestige of the royalty falls into the category of private corporations dictating federal laws.. :rolleyes:

The King _was_ the law not so long ago.
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 06:17:40 AM »
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Oh boo hooo.

blah blah ...stealing...blah blah ...theft


What you should be crying about is your lack of understanding.

Downloading music, pirated or not is never stealing or theft. For it to be stealing or theft, you would have to take something from someone else, when you download music, you are copying something from someone else.

Since the copied file is protected by copyright laws, what you might be guilty of is copyright infringement. But never theft. And you are not stealing.

For you to be able to steal a song, you would have to break into the artists house, and physically remove the "song" (a sheet of lyrics and notes perhaps?) and make off with it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2007, 10:11:44 AM »
The word stealing is used as a euphemism here, Hortland. It's a shorter, more salient word than 'copyright infringement', and being such, commands the attention of those most prone to such an act--teens.

On a practical level, however, I see little difference. Either way, you are robbing somebody of their due royalties. You aren't taking money out of their pocket, but, having taken their product for your own enjoyment, you are failing to put it into that pocket. Call it copyright infringement, call it breach of implied contract. It is something, no matter how you slice it. As a onetime aspiring novelist, I think that it should be the artist's choice how his or her material is spread. If payment is what the creator wants, for risk of less publicity, then payment is what he should get.

The biggest, most important difference to consider is that while stealing simply deprives a person of something, copyright infringement does give them some consideration for their work. An unlicensed user is still a user, and as such, has given that media yet another consumer. Even without the royalties, the media grows and expands its effect on society by touching another mind--which is what art was once ALL about, at least in the fairy tales... Reality is a bit more complex.

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2007, 10:16:45 AM »
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A thief trying to justify being a thief...



Whatever theif.

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2007, 10:45:08 AM »
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Whatever theif.


No, see, for someone to steal something, you have to remove something from someone elses possession. Since you are not doing that, you are not stealing anything.

This is very basic stuff, think lawschool 101.