1984... no wait 2007... (yoohoo lazs)

[Vulcan]

you'll like this, a Kiwi from a nz bbs I haunt who's in london, pretty sad/scarey the way things are going over there:

I was leaving the new St Pancras International train station in King's Cross London today after having a look around when I was approached by two police officers and taken aside. It was explained to me that I'd been randomly targeted for a search under the new anti-terrorism laws which allow anyone to be searched at any time in any place for no reason whatsoever

While one of them rummaged through my bag (which contained Asterix books I'd just borrowed from the library), the other one explained to me repeatedly that I was targeted randomly and I just happened to be white. I could have been "white, black, Asian, Indian, Muslim..." according to him. Apparently this is a new visible campaign to show that they aren't harassing just Muslims, but whiteys get the equal treatment. As I was choosing my race on his form (I chose "white"), I suggested that ironically I was more likely to have been chosen since I wasn't Muslim, which he subtly agreed may well be the case.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/292674/?s=

[john9001]

so, did they find his bomb?

[lazs2]

vulcan... thanks but...

nooo.. I did not like this at all... it scared the crap out of me.

lazs

[Mickey1992]

After the London tube bombings I am surprised they don't search every bag entering stations.

[TalonX]

A constitution against unlawful search....like a random road block.....

[AKIron]

They could search 100 times more "white" people than Arabs and the Arabs will still cry racism.

[Boroda]

It was explained to me that I'd been randomly targeted for a search under the new anti-terrorism laws which allow anyone to be searched at any time in any place for no reason whatsoever

Someone tried to persuade me that 1984 was written about USSR.

Here we have a tradition of checking papers by Militia in the streets, but I look Slavic and rarely am checked (only when deadly drunk). But if any Militia "warrior" will say anything like that to me and try to check my possessions - I'll just take my pen and write down his badge number. Usually they salute and say sorry for disturbing.

I don't mind showing my passport or Academy of Science pass, usually it's all, but I'll get really ugly if they'll try to check my bag and pockets. I mean - I'll obey all orders, but later they'll regret it, I know my rights. So far I have interfered when Militia warriors tried to "check" some people who didn't look like "terrorists" to me, it's scary only for the first time when you do it. Just come and ask "Anything wrong here, comrade?".

Did that guy get just searched in the station platform? Not in a line police department? Without two witnesses?!

If such thing happens in Moscow Metro - you just call 02 (Militia number), ask an operator to connect you with internal security, explain what happens, they check video-recordings at the place and time you said - and voila. Someone gets severe problems.

Here we also had Metro bombings, plane bombings, train bombings, and other ugly things like terrorists holding a maternity hospital for ransom, but it doesn't mean that any semi-literate law-enforcement "warrior" has the right to search law-abiding people in the streets.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Boroda

Someone tried to persuade me that 1984 was written about USSR.

 

Try "...was written about the problems communism presented the free world at the time" and it will start making sense.  The USSR so to speak, was not the issue.


Tumor

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Tumor
Try "...was written about the problems communism presented the free world at the time" and it will start making sense.  The USSR so to speak, was not the issue.

JFYI: Orwell was a Communist himself. Problems created by Communism were only fighting Oceanian regime that oppressed it's citizens.

Did you read 1984 yourself? Or just quoting "1984 for dummies"? I really like it when people tell me to read Orwell and don't understand when I use words like "newspeak" in the same thread.

What I read here sometimes - was absolutely impossible in "totalitarian" USSR. That's why I say I prefer totalitarism to what you guys call "democracy".

All your "fighting for democracy" is killing each other for the regime when some morons will be able to search your pockets and bags right in the subway platform, just because they feel like doing so. /*yes i exaggerate here*/

[Thrawn]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/4926246.stm


This is disgusting.  Congratulations England, you are now a nation of pathetic servile *****es.

[trax1]

Originally posted by TalonX
A constitution against unlawful search....like a random road block.....

Yeah but just try and refuse that search and see what kinda response you get.

[68Wooley]

Originally posted by Thrawn
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/4926246.stm


This is disgusting.  Congratulations England, you are now a nation of pathetic servile *****es.

I'm not sure I get your point - in what way does searching people prior to boarding a train differ from searching people prior to boarding a plane?

There is a problem with knife crime in much of the UK and this seems a reasonable step to combat it. If you don't like it, no-one's compelling you to get on the privately owned and operated train.

[SOB]

Perhaps it was this part that got him...

"The scanners are portable and police will use them in various sites across the city to randomly search rail passengers and people on the streets."

[VonMessa]

Originally posted by TalonX
A constitution against unlawful search....like a random road block.....

I'd have to agree, EXCEPT this happened in London.  What constitution?

[storch]

the cops in my town call blacks "standard bolos" they call hispanics "the other bolos" and that would be the black and hispanic cops as well.  both types of bolos are ramdomly pulled over searched etc, while this is clearly profiling and I'm against it we have had three LEOs killed out of four shot in the last six months in neighboring broward county.  only one was by a white guy and he was a gutter guinea.  

the town of miami gardens is going to start it's own police department (they have been using the county deputies) and with the town of opa-locka (where my shop is located) are recruiting white officers from all over the country, typically 50 ish dudes that are moving to sunny florida after retiring.  I think these guys are in for a wake up call as they try to respectfully approach either bolo type during routine stops.  once the shooting starts as often does I hope they are proficient with their firearms.  while both types of bolos are typically not very good shots they don't hesitate to throw down.  I think we will see more black tape on badges here for a long time if they pursue this type of recruitment with sugar coating.  they have toured some of these prospects everywhere except the neighbors where they will be working.

I can tell you from years of experience from being within the community that the only thing these guys respect is your power and your willingness to use it.  if you flinch you're @#*&ed.

I don't know how you have a free and open society without each individual being responsible for their personal behavior as well as their personal safety.  the minute you expect the government to provide for your security you also relinquish your freedom.