Awaiting Improvements

[doc1kelley]

Originally posted by jhookt
if i can count without taking off my shoes then the Birds of Prey are currently listed as have 91 members spread out over 6 squads.

if your squads aren't currrently in stagnation, shouldn't you be dissappointed that you can't run 40+ mission on your own?

Spoken like a true ex-squaddie that you are...

...nuff said

[doc1kelley]

Originally posted by jhookt
if i can count without taking off my shoes then the Birds of Prey are currently listed as have 91 members spread out over 6 squads.

if your squads aren't currrently in stagnation, shouldn't you be dissappointed that you can't run 40+ mission on your own?

No I wouldn't worry about stagnation as you call it as the vast majority of us have lives.  Until today I have flown 12 hours this month and all in the morning after I get off work because I'm a night shifter and work lots of mandatory overtime.  We could give a rats buttocks less if we have 2 or 20 on squad nights because we don't wanna make money folks, we just wanna have fun.  The folks here are used to an artificial environment as in war, you have 2 minutes of pure terror and/or excitement per hours upon hours of pure inacitivity.  You of all people should know how loose our squad is.

All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1

[jhookt]

Originally posted by doc1kelley
Spoken like a true ex-squaddie that you are...

...nuff said

eh   i just like kickin the cage.  just checking to see if yall still come out barkin.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by storch
I flew one sortie and caught six guys milking undefended fields.  I

Ahahahaha!  Priceless.    

[SteveBailey]

I'm a little bemused by the BOP complaints.  They are fortunate to have the comraderie of a large group; that seems more like a benefit than a "fault".

Especially on these big maps, one BOP horde on a Monday night is not going to change the world.

I hate the big maps but I'm making lemonade out of lemons.  On the smaller maps I would fly for the team with the fewest numbers and head for the biggest pile of bad guys.  I discovered on the big map that this sort of flying works great, save perhaps I need to come in a tad higher. Heck, I landed a 12 scalp flight tonight(no re-arms) while defending a base from a rook cv attack. I even upped at the base(A53) under attack.  If I can land 12 with one clip, imagine what some of you uber-sticks could do.

Granted, Shuffler's plane of choice is the 38 and it is not ideal for taking on the horde.. but I think it could be done.  Be a horde buster.. it's quite fun and satisfying.  

[NHawk]

Originally posted by crockett
Maybe it's that, all I know is this game is fast becoming a bore to me. I once saw the game as a lot of fun and seemed like it used to be easier to find good fights. Now days it just seems like it's nothing but the furlballs, but maybe it's just a change in my perception of the game. I don't know.

All I know is the guys that want more 1 on 1 fights really don't have much options. The DA is about the only place for that and even then it's mostly filled with people in the furball area that do nothing but gangbang.

The DA has always been the only place to go 1 on 1 to be fairly certain you wouldn't be interfered with.

I don't know where the idea that 1 on 1 fights should take place in the MA came about, but the DA has always been in existence for that very purpose. Think about it. There are 300 people in an MA and you really expect to find 1 on 1 fights? I know if I see a dar bar appear, I'll usually up to defend and hopefully so will a couple others.

I'm not sure if people still respect requests, but I do know it use to be if you asked most people to stay out of a fight in the MA they would. But there was never any guarantee of it. Many times if I knew of a good 1 on 1 taking place I'd inform the pair squaring off that I was just observing and would not enter the fight. And they were secure with that. Heck, sometimes I'd get a couple of kills keeping people away from the 1 on 1.

The MA is not and never has been the place to find 1 on 1 fights. That is unless an area has been agreed upon in advance by 2 people. And even then there's no guarantee it will remain a 1 on 1.

[Donzo]

Wow, what is going on here?

First Steve, then NHawk post using common sense (not that you guys are not capable of doing so...not the point I am making ) ?

What has this thread become?

[ghi]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
LOL!!! GHI all those jet fumes must be getting to you !QUOTE]

[crockett]

Originally posted by NHawk
The DA has always been the only place to go 1 on 1 to be fairly certain you wouldn't be interfered with.

I don't know where the idea that 1 on 1 fights should take place in the MA came about, but the DA has always been in existence for that very purpose. Think about it. There are 300 people in an MA and you really expect to find 1 on 1 fights? I know if I see a dar bar appear, I'll usually up to defend and hopefully so will a couple others.

I'm not sure if people still respect requests, but I do know it use to be if you asked most people to stay out of a fight in the MA they would. But there was never any guarantee of it. Many times if I knew of a good 1 on 1 taking place I'd inform the pair squaring off that I was just observing and would not enter the fight. And they were secure with that. Heck, sometimes I'd get a couple of kills keeping people away from the 1 on 1.

The MA is not and never has been the place to find 1 on 1 fights. That is unless an area has been agreed upon in advance by 2 people. And even then there's no guarantee it will remain a 1 on 1.

I never expect a guarantee that I will be able to get a 1 on 1 fight in the MA but I still look for them. When yea find one, you would think people could give a little respect for two cons and let them fight it out. That's of course assuming you aren't in the middle of a furball or base capture. At that point I figure anything goes.

I tend to go out of my way to fly away from my other countrymen so I don't have to worry about 5 guys jumping on the same kill I'm after. The problem with that is, I get it from the other side, next thing yea know it's 5 cons all over my six.

Really where is the fun in that? It's dam sure not fun for me and I dam sure have a hard time believing any of the 5 cons really had fun being part of a gang bang. Was it really a good fight for them?

Even the DA is the same. The only action you can get in the DA if you don't go out of your way to set up a 1 v 1 fight at a separate field is at the furball area. So if you fly at the furball area it's the same BS there.

Maybe once in a while when there are only a few guys there can you get good random  1 on 1 fights and not have to worry about some tard coming in from 5k out trying to cherry pick you.

Hell the other night, I was in the DA I go up looking for a fight. I get tangled up with two guys of the same country. No biggie I don't mind 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 every so often. Next thing yea know it's 4 of them there, so of course I die.

So I ask them on 200 if we can keep it a little more even of a  fight.  These guys answer back, claiming they are using "squad tactics" so they fight together. I told them I'd fight all of them 1 vs 1 but of course they wouldn't do that.

Sure you can get some good "random" 1 v 1 fights in the DA but I'd say 6 out of 10 times you have to worry about some other tard coming in and trying to cherry pick you. You would think that at the very min even in the furball area that people could respect a good 1 on 1 fight. I guess I just expect far too much.

It all comes down to the "respect" thing. I'd guess 80% of the player base has zero respect for the actual fight. Maybe they don't know any better or maybe they are just tards whom don't care, but it makes it almost impossiabe to get good fights anymore.

[The Fugitive]

Thats what I'm saying, its a respect thing. I have nothing against the BOPs. They are a large, well organized group that executes missions very well. I hate going against them, because most times I'm alone, or with only a couple other defenders. The same with some of the missions GHI runs. He gets a good turn out and easily overwhelm a base.

But thats where things could change. Don't gang the defenders. I'm not saying if they have 3 you only send 3, but don't send your whole crew to kill a few guys, give them a chance, and they will keep coming back.

In 1 vs 1, even 2 vs 1, ASK before you dive in, maybe the guys are having fuun, some guys like being out numbered, give them a chance to have their fun too. There is always another guy upping, go kill him.

Sure furballs are different, its a free for all, and you can't expect much other than you dieing sooner or later.

If the big squads start leading by example, and those posting missions lead by example, and those that read the boards start leading by example, maybe just maybe, a little more fun might crop up in this game for everyone.

[BaldEagl]

Allow me to weigh in briefly.

I started playing Air Warrior in 1996 (free on AOL).  I joined a squad fairly early on and a few days later the CO decided to leave the squad and handed it over to me.  By the end of the year we had over 60 members split into 3 or 4 seperate squads (I can't remember which for sure).  We did weekly squad nights and typically had 20-25 members attend.  Now remember, this was Air Warrior where only 100-150 people could play at a time.  We were, in fact, the hoard on squad nights.  We were'nt the only squad that dominated the arena on a given night either.

My point is that large multi-unit squads have existed for over a decade as have hoards.  Nothing has changed.

As to ganging, that hasn't changed either.  Evolution and nature have taught us there is safety in numbers and that it's easier to get a kill with multiple hunters on their prey than it is alone, even with the competition for the kill.

I still find plenty of one-on-one's, one-on-twos and one-on-threes and it's gotten even easier with the return of the big maps.  You only have to look toward the smaller dar-bars and around the fringes of your territory.  Many, if not most players though, won't venture into those areas as it has a significant adverse effect on your kills/hour, seemingly making you less of an ace.  Personally, I'm willing to forgo that stat for the joy of a good, non-ganged, fight.  Even at that, the other night I got into several of these as the lone defender at a lightly attacked base with no adverse effect to K/H and I had a blast.

Thanks for listening.  Just my 2 cents.