A26 as new perk ride

[SIG220]

Originally posted by humble
1st the A-26 (and the A-20G) are not bombers. They also are not bombers modified as "strafers" like the B-25. They are really an early attempt at the "strike fighter" concept IMO before the technology existed. The A-20 is much more nimble and responsive then any other bomber and its pilots actually loved its ability to "dogfight". The A-20G we have is actually much more of a true attack plane then a bomber...think of it as an early skyraider or such...

I have to agree with you here.   Does this look like a bomber???

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Rich sorry for what I'm about to say but.........


Humble he has no idea about ACM at all. Unless it had more DEFENSIVE guns , huge bomb load an/or silly fast. It's all but useless to him.

                        Bronk, Im sorry about what im about to say but you are an idiot. So much of an idiot that Im going to put you on ignore. Really, Im tired of you, you you, you, "fluffer".

                      Humble I understand the two different versions of the A-26. Read my post again and you'll see I understand. Actually the aircraft had many versions of it as it was a pretty successful design of a solid concept.

                     The thing was we didn't really need it in WW-ll and it had a fairly uneventful service history. No matter how you colored it the A-26 was still dropping dumb bombs and strafing with 0.50s just like the P-47, the 51, the A-20, and a host of other airplanes that were winning the war without the A-26.

                   A B-17 or 24 can build energy in a dive and take out enemy fighters. Isaac Newton figured all that out hundreds of years ago and I dont need anyone to point it out to me. The real question is, "who takes out Bostons in order E-fight fighters"? And, "why would you do that"? And not just that but whoever is actually doing it isn't doing very well cause the thing has an atrocious kill/death score of like 10 to 1.

              The nit-wit I put on ignore is just a troublemaker but I will answer for you as you seem a gentleman. I lean towards bombers with good "all around everythings". Thats good speed, good bombloads, good defensive fire...ect I guess you can say Im like 99% of the players in this game.

                     In my opinion the A-26 would be a "good all around" and I'm all for it. The Boston, on the other hand, is a dog. Tho I suppose it has some small charm as a fighter wannabe. Personaly I would just fly fighters.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by SIG220

I have to agree with you here.   Does this look like a bomber???

Yes.

Your all saying its a 'strike fighter, not a bomber', though. By that logic, wouldnt it feed off... fighter perks? And if its a bomber, Rich's 'defensive guns or speed' arguement works too. So get off his back.

[humble]

Lets start with the A-20...

It is 32/32 vs the P-38 this tour overall...its 52/85 vs the La-7 and 62/115 vs the P-51D...

Now if we look at the Boston its K/D is over 8 to 1...but the vast majority are to late war planes...not its contemporaries.


The boston is actually very capable in an air to air role but its rarely flown that way. I'm 52 and 32 in the A-20 in the LWA's this tour flying it primarity as a fighter.

If I flew the boston in the EWA I'd probably to the about the same...

The A-20 is one of the best E platforms in the game...and is a fun bird to fly..

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by humble
Lets start with the A-20...

It is 32/32 vs the P-38 this tour overall...its 52/85 vs the La-7 and 62/115 vs the P-51D...

Now if we look at the Boston its K/D is over 8 to 1...but the vast majority are to late war planes...not its contemporaries.


The boston is actually very capable in an air to air role but its rarely flown that way. I'm 52 and 32 in the A-20 in the LWA's this tour flying it primarity as a fighter.

If I flew the boston in the EWA I'd probably to the about the same...

The A-20 is one of the best E platforms in the game...and is a fun bird to fly..

A-20??? Very good airplane. And probably under-rated. The thing is just a killer, lets face it.

Some guys like the Boston and more power to them. The thing is with KI-67s and B-26s I dont really start to worry until I see 4 or more cons coming in. 3 I have a good chance of fighting off, 2 I'll just flat out beat, and one Im not even worried about. Depending who it is of course.

But, thats what I do. I drop bombs and shoot down fighters out my rear end. Ive taken Bostons up and they just dont suit my game play. The bomb-load is unimpressive, the defensive gunnery sucks and the coverage is bad.. Yes it is fast and some very good sticks I respect like the aircraft. So.......enjoy dude.

Maybe Im missing something. The A-26b and "C" would be pretty cool tho. As would the TU-2. There are voices for other bombers I know but AH should really spend all that time modeling a bomber people will actually fly. The Betty is interesting, the thought of a 20mm in the tail does fascinate, but will guys actually fly the thing? When the B-26 is so superior in every way???

[Bino]

With all due respect, SIG, I disagree with much of what you said about the ME-163...

1.) According to the pilots quotes that I've read, the 163 was a nimble delight to fly at all speeds. (e.g., Rudy Opitz)

2.) Although it certainly took considerable skill, some RL pilots were able to adapt to the much, much faster pace of rocket combat and score multiple-kill sorties (e.g., Siegfried Schubert)

3.) The ME-163B had a five-position throttle: off, ground idle, flight idle, cruise, maximum power.

4.) Not "all historical accounts" call the plane an "absolute failure".

5.) In AH, the 163 is only available from a single base, deep in the rear area.  Because of its very short range, it can only reach bombers that come near to the HQ.  Now, if we had much larger, more accurately-scaled arena maps...  

Originally posted by SIG220
I sort of disagree with much that has been said in this thread.   To me, the game should focus on the planes that played actually significant roles in the war.   Both the Arado 234 and the Me 163 were insignificant planes that had no real impact on the war.  I personally don't see any reason to have either of them, if one wants to replay real history.

To me, the Me 163 actually harms the game, as it clearly flies much better in Aces High II than it did in real life.   These planes were never ever able to maneuver that well, or engage multiple aircraft in the actual war.   In fact, they had no throttle you could even control.  By all historical accounts, the plane was an absolute failure.   But here in the game, it plays a major role in combating high flying bombers.

It is a shame that fighter pilots have so many perk planes to choose from, yet all us buff pilots have is the Arado 234.

To me, the bomber that should be added as a perk plane is clearly the B-29   This bomber played a huge role in the last several months of the war in defeating Japan.

The A-26 would be nice to have too.   But I would say the B-29 deserves to be added before it is, due to its much greater role in the war.

That said, the game already has way more planes than any person is capable of mastering.   And certainly the most significant ones are already represented.

If I could have one wish, it would be to actually remove the Me 163.   That would make life for Buff pilots much more fair.

SIG 220

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by SIG220

I have to agree with you here.   Does this look like a bomber???

Funny thing, the A-26 is totally outclassed by all late war planes.   Only the foolish, unwary or down right stupid fighter pilot will find themselves in trouble against an A-26.  


ack-ack

[humble]

Actually I dont think thats an accurate statement at all ack-ack. The A-20 is quite capable vs anything in the latewar set. Obviously until handling issues are known its pure speculation but the A-26 will handily outzoom anything in the game if it can actually pull G's at 425 safely. A-20 is very capable of beating a 38, pony, jug or 109 if its got enough alt to play with.

No question that a well flown late war bird has the advantage, but not an insurmountable one.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by humble
Actually I dont think thats an accurate statement at all ack-ack. The A-20 is quite capable vs anything in the latewar set. Obviously until handling issues are known its pure speculation but the A-26 will handily outzoom anything in the game if it can actually pull G's at 425 safely. A-20 is very capable of beating a 38, pony, jug or 109 if its got enough alt to play with.

No question that a well flown late war bird has the advantage, but not an insurmountable one.

Put in a pilot of similiar experience in an A-20 and a P-38J/L and the J/L driver will win.  Why?  Because the Lightning pilot will use the strengths of his plane to easily over come whatever strengths the A-20 has when it comes to dogfighting.

The only time an experienced pilot will lose to an A-20 is if he's not paying attention and gets bounced by an A-20 or does something else stupid.  In short, the P-38 driver isn't going to lose because his plane was out performed by an A-20 but rather because the Lightning driver did something stupid.

A-26 will not out zoom fighters like the P-38J/L or Ki-84.


ack-ack

[humble]

The A-20 outzooms the 38 under most conditions. It simply cant get much over 400 so the 38 has a distinct edge in that regard. But in a mid range E fight the A-20 will hang with the 38 very well. If the A-26 can really handle higher speeds it'll easily keep up with a 38.

Looking at the last few tours I was 7-2 vs the L last tour and am 5-0 this one in the A-20. I was 4-2 vs the J last tour....so overall I'm 16-4 vs all 38's over the current and last tour.

If you look overall the A-20 has (as of last night) a 1 to 1 K/D vs the L across the board.

Checking tour 92 I was 6-2 vs the L. I actually get killed more by 38's in other planes then the A-20. Tough to break it all out since I fly other stuff but A-20 hops have been the majority of my MA sorties for 4-5 months now.

If I go back to tour 88 the bulk of my sorties were in A-20's

During that tour I was was 11-0 vs the J and 5-0 vs the L I had 3 38G kills and and 1 recorded A-20 death to the G. No kills on me in anything from the L or J.

The A-20 certainly has weaknesses that a good pilot can exploit, but so do most planes. Is the A-20 equal to any of the fighters in the game...no. BUT the A-20 can be flown successfully against any fighter in the game to a suprising degree a majority of the time.

[Rich46yo]

If it has a bomb bay then its a bomber. Most of all if it also allows for level bombing with a Norden. Since the A-26c has both then the A-26 is a bomber. At the same time its a wonderful hybrid of both attack and bomber. As the A-20 is.

                            Im starting to get a lot of enthusiasm to see the A-26 in this game.

[Karnak]

A-20G, A-26A and Mosquito FB.Mk VI are all attack planes that can be pressed into service as fighters, but they are not ideal for it and fight from a disadvantage.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by humble
The A-20 outzooms the 38 under most conditions.  

Our fight this afternoon showed your statement to be incorrect.  Even with your altitude and energy advantage I was able to out zoom your A-20 at will and kept the fight in the vertical where your plane had no chance whatsoever.  


ack-ack

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Karnak
A-20G, A-26A and Mosquito FB.Mk VI are all attack planes that can be pressed into service as fighters, but they are not ideal for it and fight from a disadvantage.

                         The Mossie is the one airplane in the game that scares me. I aint kidding, I'd rather see a 262 coming at my bombers.

[goober69]

Originally posted by Bronk
Tell ya what. Try and shoot down humble in an A-20. Then just imagine trying to shoot him down with a better version of said AC.
I see a light perk for this AC.

i got lucky and did that, once and yes he saw me coming dont know if it counts i was in a la la and climbed up from under him had my flaps full out took my shot and went into a spin later died to a temp.
humbles good his films insipred me to try the a20 its pretty sweet i got a couple of kills in it none landed though. even though its fun to fly it would be an ocasional thing for me.

as far as bombers go i fly only lancs and b26.
lancasters when i want to hit big or hit strats and 26 when i dont want to waste a lot of time climbing out and in transit. lol the other night i actualy let planes catch up to me in b26 so i could shoot them down.
ive flown the arado i personaly don't like it. seemed like a waste of time for me cause i ocasionaly like to be attacked when flying buffs but to be sure im gonna have a ton of alt to start with.

btw i try to land every bomber sortie i take out so i usualy climb to 15-20+k in lancs and 10-15 i b26.

still one of my fave things to do is stuka runs thats fun for me.

there is only one plane i have not flown in ma and that's the 262 havent had enough perks yet. i would love another perk bomber or at least a couple of eny5 bombers.
i agree with most though that we have enough american planes for now.

i will say this i will not call anyone stupid because of the plane they like to fly if they want to have fun and thats the way they want to do it good for them.

{a good pilot can take a retarded plane to the limits.
or is that a retarded pilot can be taken to the limit by his plane lol}

i experience a lot of the latter.....