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Offline croduh

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« on: November 20, 2007, 08:00:46 AM »
A paste of informations about the new Croatian rifle, which will remove ak-47s from our army:

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This new Croatian rifle, named VHS, was recently presented on iKA, an annual innovation display in Karlovac, Croatia.
Externally, it may look like a fuse of Tavor, Tavor 2 and FAMAS, but internally, there's a different story; when fired, gun powder gasses push the bolt backward via piston, that much is the same as in almost all assault rifles. However, the unique feature of this gun is that it has additional gas vent that leads some of the gases into a chamber located BEHIND the bolt. As the bolt moves backward, it's gradually slowed down and then softly stopped by a gas cushion, rather then coming into an abrupt stop as it reaches it's most backward position, causing recoil. This feature makes VHS, well, not recoilless, but very low recoil and easy to fire.
Some other features of the VHS rifle are the following; length 750mm, width 448mm, height 255mm. Barrel length 500mm(!) Calibre 5,56X45mm NATO
Cyclic rate of fire- 600rpm, single/auto/safe fire selector
Weight (without flash light, grenade launcher, bayonet or magazine)- only 2,3kg(!)
Pistol grip placed in weapon's center point, making it possible to fire with one hand.
Integral bipod that folds entirely into a serration in the grip.
Dove tail mount located under the barrel, infront of the pistol grip- for mounting flash light, laser or IC light.
Easy mounting 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher- when lower part of the front grip is removed, the GL mounts on the gun in the same manner as the bayonet.
Any kind of optical sight can be mounted ontop of a carry handle, which is also equipped with iron sight that shooter uses with both eyes open- apparently, this feature is common in some hunting rifles...I'd appreciate any additional info on that. (I'm familiar with military rifles, but know next to nothing about hunting rifles or shotguns...)
The VHS is developed by HS Produkt, the same factory that makes HS2000/ Springfield XD pistols. It's been thoroughly tested by HS Product team and presented as finished product, not prototype. It's currently undergoing testing by Croatian army. Rumor has it it's even been offered to US army...
Possible date of adaptation by Croatian army- some say Croatian contingent of MPs in Afghanistan will be equipped with VHS soon, other sources say the earliest VHS can be adopted is 2008...
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All in all, sounds interesting to me as it will be (supposedly) the lightest assault rifle in the world, and h2 produkt has proven it's quality at gun making...

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 08:08:06 AM »
Thr trigger seems to be in the wind there. Not much of a guard from the pic that I can see.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 09:08:35 AM »
now THAT is a good looking gun!

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 09:36:37 PM »
Notice the woman holding it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 09:52:36 PM »
The location of the clip looks like it would be alittle awkward to reload in a firefight. I could be wrong tho.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 10:01:37 PM »
Wow, now that is an ugly rifle. Makes the FAMAS look good.


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The location of the clip looks like it would be alittle awkward to reload in a firefight. I could be wrong tho.

Thats one of the main critisisms of a bullpup configuration (though others say in-vehicle reloading is actually easier), but the advantage is huge- a rifle like this likely has a barrel roughly equivelent to that of the M16A2. (edit: yes, 500mm compared to the 508mm in the M16A2. In a gun that is about as long as shorter than an M4.)
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 10:03:23 PM »
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as68-e.htm

IIRC Walmet (Finland) also made such a Kalashnikov mod.

Mikhail Timofeyevich is a genius. You simply can't spoil his design ;) Hard to imagine: he was a 20 years old sergeant from Tank corps... Got into  hospital in Autumn 1941 and got a hobby...

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 10:06:22 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as68-e.htm

IIRC Walmet (Finland) also made such a Kalashnikov mod.

Mikhail Timofeyevich is a genius. You simply can't spoil his design ;) Hard to imagine: he was a 20 years old sergeant from Tank corps... Got into  hospital in Autumn 1941 and got a hobby...

This is nowhere close to the VEPR. The VEPR is just an AK receiver with the pistol grip and all other ergonomic things moved to the front, and the stock deleted (a 'bullpup AK'). The subject of the thread is a completely different design.

Edit: gotta love the red dot sight mounted on the side of the carry handle :rofl

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 10:25:45 PM »
that aint ugly man, thats fediddlein beautiful!  I WANT ONE :D
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 10:28:40 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as68-e.htm

IIRC Walmet (Finland) also made such a Kalashnikov mod.

Mikhail Timofeyevich is a genius. You simply can't spoil his design ;) Hard to imagine: he was a 20 years old sergeant from Tank corps... Got into  hospital in Autumn 1941 and got a hobby...


I thought that this was supposed to be the next Russian rifle. Reciprocating barrel, automatically varying cyclic rates for the burst setting... Was supposed to be impressive. What happened?

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 10:39:57 PM »
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I thought that this was supposed to be the next Russian rifle. Reciprocating barrel, automatically varying cyclic rates for the burst setting... Was supposed to be impressive. What happened?

I think your thinking of something else. The Vepr is Ukrainian.
Im pretty sure your thinking of the AN-94. It was scrapped because... I guess it was to expensive or something. The Russians like their AK's, what more can I say? AN-94
The AK-107/8 sounds much more interesting anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 10:42:36 PM »
Ummmm, the link I left was for the Abakan, Motherland, not the vepr. I know it was scrapped, I just think it sucks that it happened.

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 10:44:26 PM »
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Ummmm, the link I left was for the Abakan, Motherland, not the vepr. I know it was scrapped, I just think it sucks that it happened.

Ooh crap. I didnt see that 'this' was a link, I thought you were talking about the Vepr, since you had quoted Boroda's post. Sorry for the confusion.

Edit: I wish hyperlinks here were automatically highlighted/turned blue as they are on other forums. Many times I'll skip right over them without even noticing.
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Re: Croatial rifle
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 03:57:53 AM »
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A paste of informations about the new Croatian rifle, which will remove ak-47s from our army:




Very impressive rifle.   With it in the hands of Croatian soldiers, I do not think that any nation will ever dare attack Croatia again.  I certainly would not want to fight soldiers so well armed.

It was amazing what a turnaround Croatia had in its war for independence, and how it turned the tables against its enemies.  The Croatian people must be very tough and resourceful, to have made such a strong comeback against such adversity.

That United Nations arms embargo during the war was such an unfair joke, as the Serbs had obtained most of the arms of the former Yugoslavian military.  So the embargo accomplished nothing to bring peace, and served only to give the Serbs a big advantage at the start of the war.

I remember reading in the news about the unfortunate massacre of civilians in the village of Ravno in 1991 at the start of the fighting, and how the Serbs then continued on to attack the beautiful and historic city of Dubrovnik, which was an international outrage.

No doubt Croatia wants to now be more self-sufficient when it comes to arms, which is a very smart thing for any nation that values its freedom to do.

I salute your military industry for making such a fine weapon.

I think that Croatia would make a good and strong partner in the NATO alliance with such a dedicated an professional military.   I hope America is able to help Croatia to become a member of NATO next year.  I know that Russia is very angry about so many European countries now joining NATO.  However, I do not think that it would be wise for any western nations to put much trust with Russia.

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 08:02:40 AM »
If that weapon is as good as the XD, it's a champion.
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