Stem Cell Breakthrough!

[AKIron]

Originally posted by mentalguy
Typical answer. I just have to say that research like this will sure as hell get us alot  further in life than prayer.

Research doesn't help people like Flu's little brother, or flu for that matter though brain transplants may some day become a reality.

[mentalguy]

Originally posted by AKIron
Research doesn't help people like Flu's little brother, or flu for that matter though brain transplants may some day become a reality.

Do you honestly think that? More **** like this aand I'm seriously considering voting liberal.

[Shuckins]

Guv, the only reason you would have to go to Singapore to avail yourself of the benefits of stem-cell research is if they were to have a monopoly on the treatments that were developed.

That will never happen, for the simple reason that most of that research is being done by scientists from the U.S. and Great Britain and several other nations.  If you think Singapore's government can keep control of the results or prevent the knowledge from spreading across the globe like wildfire you are sadly mistaken.

Perhaps you missed the part in the article I cited about the overall funding for research remaining basically the same no matter how much the government donates?  Or you didn't understand it?  When the government donates, private donors reduce their giving, as do the states.  

Stem-cell research funding world wide is in the tens of billions of dollars....with almost no success to show for the vast expenditures.  Would more money bring about a breakthrough?  I seriously doubt it.  Only adult stem-cell research has shown any concrete results.  Fetal stem-cell research is proving to be a dead end...and will likely remain so in spite of the massive funds already being utilized.

I have no problem with research that benefits the suffering, but I do have a problem with amoral, if it benefits me anything goes, damn-the-torpedoes-and-full-speed-ahead attitudes about research utilizing the fetal stem-cells of the unborn.

Donate your own money if you want it badly enough....just don't demand that MY tax money be used for it.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by mentalguy
Do you honestly think that? More **** like this aand I'm seriously considering voting liberal.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[mentalguy]

Originally posted by AKIron
Stupid is as stupid does.

Looks like you already did.

[AKIron]

Nothing personal there mentalguy, just don't know how else to describe someone who would change their vote to avoid voting with someone they disagree with.

[Viking]

Jeez AKIron ... just how low are you going to sink?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Sabre
Then, just a few weeks ago, New Jersey voters shocked the science and political worlds by rejecting a $450 million bond measure that, like California’s Proposition 71, would have funded human cloning and embryonic-stem-cell research.
 

A  really REALLY good example on how a story or part of a story can be spun to make a reporters point.

Yes it is true we voted down the $450 mil bond measure.
but it had far far more to do with our $4.5 billion dollar deficit then being against stem cell research

NJ is among the wealthiest states in the nation
NJ is also the most densely populated state.
We have among if not the highest property taxes in the nation.
One of the highest sales taxes in the nation (8%)

Yet we still have a $4.5 billion dollar deficit. (one of the highest in the nation)


And now they want to put us even farther in the hole without showing in any way shape or form how they plan on paying for it. Or to whom and where exactly the money is going to go.
Considering we are proving to have one of the most corrupt state governments in the nation. Not to mention a governor who seems to think he is state emperor. We'd really kinda like to know that part.

While property tax relief is a huge political issue here we also voted against using a small portion of the recently increased sales tax (was 7%) for property tax relief

It also isnt mentioned that we have already invested $270 million into Stem cell research. so to say or insinuate we as a state are against it. Is really nothing short of an outright lie.

Yes we approved a bond issuance of $200 million to support historic and farmland preservation. But at least we can see where that money is spent.
and Farms at least provide a source of tax revenue

I know of very few people who are against stem cell research including embryonic.
Certainly much much less then I do people who support it.
those who I know of who voted against this measure by FAR did so purely out of economic concerns. Not ideological ones.

We turned it down by and large because we feel we have already invested enough money into this venture for now. With little to no financial return on the investment.
And we have enough dept and simply would not like to needlessly add more to it when the state government has proved they obviously cant seem to manage the debt we have now.

Your not going to stop the bleeding by opening another vein

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Viking
Jeez AKIron ... just how low are you going to sink?

I'm not the one advocating killing babies. In fact, I'm somewhat opposed to it. I figure everyone ought to have the same shot at life that you and I have had. Maybe it's just me but I don't get how that is sinking low?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by AKIron
I'm not the one advocating killing babies. In fact, I'm somewhat opposed to it. I figure everyone ought to have the same shot at life that you and I have had. Maybe it's just me but I don't get how that is sinking low?

I think he just doesn't consider a cluster consisting of a couple dozen cells a baby. He doesn't think that cluster feels pain, can think and reason, or contains a soul (taking a major leap on that last one). To him it's just something with the consistency of toothpaste--as it is to many people.

He was not advocating the termination of 2nd or 3rd trimester fetuses, they're simply assuming that in the absence of a central nervous system, not to mention any other discernible organs or tissues, you do not have a person.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Neubob
I think he just doesn't consider a cluster consisting of a couple dozen cells a baby. He doesn't think that cluster feels pain, can think and reason, or contains a soul (taking a major leap on that last one). To him it's just something with the consistency of toothpaste--as it is to many people.

He was not advocating the termination of 2nd or 3rd trimester fetuses, they're simply assuming that in the absence of a central nervous system, not to mention any other discernible organs or tissues, you do not have a person.

Who are you talking about?

What was Viking talking about?

Prior to my last response to Viking my last few responses were to govtflu and mentalguy. Do you guys read these threads?

[Neubob]

I assumed that you were upset with Govtflu because he said he'd gladly murder a petrie dish worth of cell children if it meant curing the nerve damage in his arm. That was what I was responding to.

I could be wrong though. I did attempt to post a log of my getting drunk last night, so I'm not very smart.

[AKIron]

I've come up with all the ridiculous wacko arguments I can think of. I've yet to see one from you Neubob. I hereby declare myself the winner of your silly little game and not so graciously bow out.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Neubob
I assumed that you were upset with Govtflu because he said he'd gladly murder a petrie dish worth of cell children if it meant curing the nerve damage in his arm. That was what I was responding to.

I could be wrong though. I did attempt to post a log of my getting drunk last night, so I'm not very smart.

I guess you missed his complaint about being inconvenienced every time he visited an abortion clinic? What is that about? Does he work there as a baby killer or is he a she and just very promiscuous? I took it as calloused joke and responded in kind.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by AKIron
I've come up with all the ridiculous wacko arguments I can think of. I've yet to see one from you Neubob. I hereby declare myself the winner of your silly little game and not so graciously bow out.

I already gave you credit for the creativity you put into your arguments. I thought they were plausible, original and very appropriate given the topic.

You can bow out with grace, as far as I'm concerned... But I did offer a coupe of my own. Early on. If you recall, I mentioned something about how certain religious types may find fault with the concept of humans breaking God's monopoly on the creation of new life. There were a couple of others too. Not too compelling, but examples nonetheless.

As for his crack about the abortion clinic, I didn't really get where that was coming from. I kinda filtered it out, assuming that it was the kind of nonsensical tripe that's as common here as salt is in the ocean.