Author Topic: What is a Militia? (Read 19955 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #135 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:35:36 PM »

wow.. what a shocker.. arlo is adding "perspective" by giving the leftie side of the arguement!

I think it is a right to move about freely.. you can drive on private property with no license at all for instance.. there is no "right" to drive cars on public roads paid for with tax money.

perhaps it would be more to the point to ask arlo why him and his anti second amendment types don't ask for some sensible registration and control for first amendment rights. No other right besides the second is so restricted.. we merely want to role back the restrictions to those of the other rights... no big mystery.

As for gun control being just a sensible good hearted thing not meant to confiscate... I believe that the examples around the world should be enough to show just how dishonest arlo and his lefty buddies are being.. look at england and poor old australia for instance.

and.. the government.. all government is brutal and can only work by brute force.. I don't know what country arlo is living in but I would suggest that he try to not pay his taxes and then resist when they come to arrest him...

The way it works is.. if you don't do as they say they take your stuff and/or put you in prison.. if you resist.. they kill you. That is just the way government works.

so arlo....like I asked your brit friends.. what do you think are sensible gun control laws? is the 20,000 we have not good enough?

and.. what gun control law ever made anyone safer? The CDC report just said that none of em do so... what it the point? If you aren't making us safer then what is your agenda?

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #136 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:37:11 PM »

Oh.. and if you have never heard of a single case of legal guns being confiscated then you aren't paying attention... look up hurricane katrina... those guns have still not been returned.

lazs

Arlo · « **Reply #137 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:39:51 PM »

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Oh.. and if you have never heard of a single case of legal guns being confiscated then you aren't paying attention... look up hurricane katrina... those guns have still not been returned.

lazs

Hurricane Katrina confiscated guns? Go figure. I'd make a case that it wasn't a proper representative of local, state or federal authority if I were you.

Arlo · « **Reply #138 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:42:49 PM »

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perhaps it would be more to the point to ask arlo why him and his anti second amendment types ....

Ahhhh ... another priceless piece of rhetoric. "Anti-second amendment types" ....

Whooeee. (Shakes head)

Get a grip.

john9001 · « **Reply #139 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:46:42 PM »

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Hurricane Katrina confiscated guns?

arlo, you can't be that stupid, well maybe you are.

lazs2 · « **Reply #140 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:49:53 PM »

arlo.. the NRA did make such a case. In fact.. it is so important that many states including kaliforia (just signed) has written it into law that the state can no longer confiscate legal firearms.

as for your anti second amendment bent.. well.. rhetoric eh? I don't see how wanting to gut the amendment (what part about shall not be infringed do you not get?)

the point being that if you gut the amendment or think "infringed" is just a suggestion... then you are no friend of the second.

I really didn't expect you to answer on the guns you would allow me tho... that would be far toooooo honest for you guys.

I have asked other gun control nuts in the past and never really got an answer.. mostly because.. I feel that they don't want everyone to see what is behind the mask.

lazs

Arlo · « **Reply #141 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:51:08 PM »

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arlo, you can't be that stupid, well maybe you are.

As stupid as those struggling with the concept of sarcasm? Relax ... I'm not.

john9001 · « **Reply #142 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:56:29 PM »

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As stupid as those struggling with the concept of sarcasm? Relax ... I'm not.

instead of trying to show how clever you are (you are not), just post straight answers.

AKIron · « **Reply #143 on:** November 24, 2007, 04:59:12 PM »

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instead of trying to show how clever you are (you are not), just post straight answers.

Come on john, the right to amuse oneself (even if no one else), shall not be infringed.

Arlo · « **Reply #144 on:** November 24, 2007, 05:01:13 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I really didn't expect you to answer on the guns you would allow me tho... that would be far toooooo honest for "you guys."

I have asked other gun control nuts in the past and never really got an answer.. mostly because.. I feel that they don't want everyone to see what is behind the mask.

lazs

That or you just need it hammered in with a sledge before you get it.I'm just one guy, Laz. And as "nutty" as you think gun control is, it's not a new threat to liberty. It's no different than standardizing and regulating automobiles. It's been around for years. Funny how that particular correlation (guns vs cars) is one of the pet arguments of the anti-gun control groups but when it's offered back it provokes instant disregard.

I don't stand in the way of you legally owning any gun, Laz. Nor would I. You just don't want any laws that make owning them any more inconvenient that you deem neccessary. I didn't grow up as spoiled, I reckon.

Arlo · « **Reply #145 on:** November 24, 2007, 05:02:43 PM »

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instead of trying to show how clever you are (you are not), just post straight answers.

They're pretty damn straight. I can tell by how offended you get.

john9001 · « **Reply #146 on:** November 24, 2007, 05:09:58 PM »

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They're pretty damn straight. I can tell by how offended you get.

you can not offend me, i have a great tolerance for mentally disadvantaged people.

Tigeress · « **Reply #147 on:** November 24, 2007, 05:10:23 PM »

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Ahhhh ... another priceless piece of rhetoric. "Anti-seond emendment types" ....

Whooeee. (Shakes head)

Get a grip.

Not wanting to spoil anyone's joyful smacksmanship, but just to set the record straight, you in favor of the Second Amendment, as written?

A yes or a no or an eloquent oration with copious innuendo works!

TIGERESS

Arlo · « **Reply #148 on:** November 24, 2007, 05:17:11 PM »

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Not wanting to spoil anyone's joyful smackmanship, but just to set the record straight, you in favor of the Second Amendment, as written?

A yes or a no or an eloquent oration with copious innuendo works!

TIGERESS

Yes.

To be followed by copius "innuendo":

Of course. The issue is interpretation. Some people want it to mean one thing. Some people want it to mean another. Others realize the world's changed and that the constitution is amendable .... for that very reason. What I'm against is bogus reasoning:

1. The framers of the constitution specifically penned it to support my "God given" right to own a tank.

2. I need a fully automatic belt-fed heavy machinegun to protect me and mine from criminals and the government.

Such rationalizing Rambos could just tell me they got more money than sense, enjoy dangerous toys and leave it at that and I'd probably cheer `em on and wish `em luck.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #149 on:** November 24, 2007, 05:17:41 PM »

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Why aren't people up in arms over requiring licensing and registration on automobiles?
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Something that has always irked me is that no one has a government defined "right" to drive a car... rather it is defined as a "privilege."

TIGERESS

Actually, the government has the right to regulate commerce among the states. This means that as long as the driver / citizen isn't using his car for business purposes (i.e. transportation of goods, services or business tools), then the government has not right to tell him what he can or can't do with his car.

That is what it means. However, because the constitution doesn't come out and expressly forbid the opposite of what is allowed (Art 1, Sect 8), most people don't realize that they can simply tell the government "No."

Unfortunately, the process and tradition is so ingrained on us, it would be a hard fight to get rid of it. Regardless of constitutionality.