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Offline rpm

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Rather than us debate the need for the A-bombing of Japan, why not ask someone that was around at the time? I feel their opinion holds more water than a bunch of armchair CIC's.
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I've always found it enlightening that those who decry Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and the fire-bombings of the other Japanese and German cities always leave out Warsaw, Coventry, London, and other cities that were bombed into destruction on the allied side.

But, yes Rip, it was a Dem that pulled the trigger on those 2 bombs.  However, the point is moot.  If a Republican was in the white house at that time I've no doubt they'd have done the same thing.
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Be interesting to go back in time, not drop the bomb, invade Japan instead, Japan woulda killed all U.S. held prisoners of war then would be interesting to see how many of the socialist winers on this bbs woulda never been born.

So Rip are you comparing the Demonicrats with muslims? Cause we all know who'll set off the next nuclear device... probably one they buy from our good Soviet friends.

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Well I think if you polled the nation some 5 years after the event, you'd get a 95% approval for ending the war and saving hundred of Allied lives.

Of course, now a days, people wish to re-write history and play up the role of the defeated.  

Republican, Democrat, Lib, etc....I think most are in favor of the atomic bomb being utilized.

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Why are those asians buried up to their necks in that pic above?

   And Rip...its a great time to be a Pats fan!

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I would have to agree with RPM on this.  

Before we vilify Truman or the Democrats for dropping the Atomic Bomb on the Japanese, I think we should put ourselves in the shoes of the Marines, the Army Units, the Sailors, and the Air Corp pilots who were going to be involved in the actual invasion.  If you realize that the Japanese were going to resist to the last person in most cases, then you are able to see that regardless of the horror of an atomic detonation, the actual usage in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was in reality the humane action.
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Originally posted by rpm
Rather than us debate the need for the A-bombing of Japan, why not ask someone that was around at the time? I feel their opinion holds more water than a bunch of armchair CIC's.
oh lord I don't believe this but I agree with you on this one.

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I would have to agree with RPM on this.  

Before we vilify Truman or the Democrats for dropping the Atomic Bomb on the Japanese, I think we should put ourselves in the shoes of the Marines, the Army Units, the Sailors, and the Air Corp pilots who were going to be involved in the actual invasion.  If you realize that the Japanese were going to resist to the last person in most cases, then you are able to see that regardless of the horror of an atomic detonation, the actual usage in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was in reality the humane action.


Humane?  I would argue that it is probably the least humane thing in the world to crush someone's belief structure.

Torture them, starve them, beat them, kill them...  But suddenly they are forced to realize that they are wrong at the most basic level?  Brutal.
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My dad turned 15 years old in May of 45.  I can tell you he was extremely pleased with the atom bomb being dropped forcing Japans speedy bow out of the war.  Before that he was sure he would be drafted and sent to Japan, like most other 15 year old males in 1945 America.

Im with Truman on this one, better safe than sorry.
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http://prion.bchs.uh.edu/~zzhang/1/Nanking_Massacre/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre

http://www.bataansurvivor.com/content/the_bataan_death_march/1.php

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_pacific.html

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                   Had they the weapons and industrial might we had they would have enslaved those they didn't outright murder. And what did we do? We freed them from Military tyranny, those we didn't kill first, and turned them into capitalists.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Humane?  I would argue that it is probably the least humane thing in the world to crush someone's belief structure.

Torture them, starve them, beat them, kill them...  But suddenly they are forced to realize that they are wrong at the most basic level?  Brutal.



Putting a sick dog out of it's misery is considered humane.  Many will argue that it is humane to do the same to a human, but it is currently illegal in the US.  Basing ones belief structure around the belief that any one race is better, or "destined" for greatness is sick.  

It is known there were roughly 460 thousand  killed or maimed by the bomb.  1 Million+ casualties expected amongst the Allied Invasion Force.  Countless more would have died on the Japanese Side.  

Considering the options, it is obvious what the more humane option was.
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It "happened to be a Democrat". I have no doubt that a Republican would have done the same thing. And it brings to thought, the Republicans often say Democrats are too "weak" in big deals, such as wars....
Anyway, I see the links above, - they should bring some things to focus.
Perhaps Hiroshima was the biggest urban casualty over a couple of days, but Nagasaki was not. Tokyo was bigger. Dresden may have been bigger. The Manila massacre was bigger. Nanking?
Then you move on to the fronts to see the manslaughter, as well as the occupied zones of the Japanese and German. Hiroshima is a big bad number, so is Nagasaki. These are dwarfed by the butchery that went on in China. Some say 15 millions total.
Dresden is likewise dwarfed by the camp butchery, as well as the butchery on the eastern front.
However, Hiroshima + Nagasaki ENDED the deal, who was belived to take millions of lives (including 1-1.5 millions of the allied).
Dresden did not, and neither did Hamburg (45K dead?). Pity.
Conclusion? Mine is (with a cold mind) that the Nuking did 2 good things vs one bad.
1. End WW2 swiftly, sparing countless lives in the time to come.
2. Show the full force and horror of this weapon, which put some weight on why it has never been used again.
the bad one:
- well, it surely killed a lot of civilians in a most horrible way.
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Apparently back in the day they were only Americans,today its Republicans or Democrats.
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Apparently back in the day they were only Americans,today its Republicans or Democrats.


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Back on topic. Too bad today's neolibs have lost the resolve of yesteryear's dems.


You mean to say facio-democrats are not in vogue?? say it isn't so! :rofl

KgB, I agree... Americans only come in one flavor that counts... Amercian! :aok

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