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« on: November 24, 2007, 06:17:00 AM »
Is it just me or do the twin engine fighters seem to suffer from PW's an awful lot?
I especially love the "baddie sprayin at 1.0K back..get 1 ping and POOF! PW", or the see a buff box and *THINK* of engaging them and *POOF* PW.
Been bad enough I've gave up on the Mossie..and my favorite ride the 38.:(
It's getting a little rediculous. I figure that 90% of my 38 flights end in a PW..usually from 1 or 2 pings at long range. I think something needs to be looked at. But don't ask me what..I can turn my computer on and off...that's about the extent of my computer knowledge. :)

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2007, 07:49:20 AM »
P38 your most likely to get a PW from lack of armor behind the pilot and bubble canopy, Mossy has good tough armor protection behind pilot, 110 heavy armor behind pilot seat, not for rear gunner

Rear gunner and p38 pilots are most likely to get PW over a mossy. You will more likely land a Mossy without half a plane at all, then get PW, weird thing is the mossy pilots seat is armored above the head of the pilot (gunned mossys) but recon mossys didnt have the armor to help speed, so not sure which mossy the game takes up, im guessing its armored since ive never been PW this tour in one.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2007, 10:13:47 AM »
I receive more PWs in p38 than in any other plane.  Really makes you think twice about entering any ack in the Lightning.

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2007, 10:15:35 AM »
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I receive more PWs in p38 than in any other plane.


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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2007, 10:59:27 AM »
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I receive more PWs in p38 than in any other plane.  Really makes you think twice about entering any ack in the Lightning.


It's kinda like flying the different planes in the game. You get up in a B-17 and don't really plan on turn fighting a Zero. That might not be the greatest idea. Perhaps the same goes for a 38?  

I guess I'm trying to say ya'll might try flying to a particular planes strengths than to it's weaknesses. So if you know flying into ack and or taking shots from other planes give you pw's, don't get into that regime of flight. I fly the 38 only a few times a rotation but haven't seen a pw in it in a long time.

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2007, 11:04:28 AM »
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P38 your most likely to get a PW from lack of armor behind the pilot and bubble canopy


The P-38 had armor plating both behind the pilot and at the rear bulkhead of the armament compartment.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2007, 11:06:49 AM »
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what is PW please?

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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2007, 11:07:46 AM »
S!

never mind. brain caught up with thoughts


pilot wound

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2007, 11:46:09 AM »
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The P-38 had armor plating both behind the pilot and at the rear bulkhead of the armament compartment.


Indeed, if you look at the armor protection diagram in the P-38 manual, you'll see that the P-38 had as good and often better armor protection than the single engine fighters of its era. P-38s had an armored seat pan, meaning the pilot was protected from behind and below too. Frontal armor protected the pilot over a 30 degree arc. Rear protection was over nearly 100 degrees (vertically). Unarmored areas were the sides of the cockpit (usually shielded by the engines) as well as down and forward (a low 12 o'clock attack). Obviously, only the front windscreen was armored.

P-38s should not be any more susceptible to pilots wounds than any other American fighter.

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2007, 01:02:44 PM »
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Indeed, if you look at the armor protection diagram in the P-38 manual, you'll see that the P-38 had as good and often better armor protection than the single engine fighters of its era. P-38s had an armored seat pan, meaning the pilot was protected from behind and below too. Frontal armor protected the pilot over a 30 degree arc. Rear protection was over nearly 100 degrees (vertically). Unarmored areas were the sides of the cockpit (usually shielded by the engines) as well as down and forward (a low 12 o'clock attack). Obviously, only the front windscreen was armored.

P-38s should not be any more susceptible to pilots wounds than any other American fighter.

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aaaahhh...but they are sir.....i too, have taken pilot wounds in them from direct six shots...and i know that's were they were as i was ru....eeerrr....extending, and they were 800-1000 back......i was completley amazed that they hit me from that distance.....but then again, i had a pony hitting my lancs from 1k yesterday, although he did no serious damage to me.
 i justgenerally don't complain about it, as i do as ren suggested, and try to not get into those situations....i try to fly the planes to thier strengths ingame...doesn't always work though

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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2007, 03:37:36 PM »
I have to agree with shooter,pilot wounds seem to happen to me more often in the planes he's listed.
 While the 110 doesn't seem as bad as the other 2 I still get above average PW's in it.

 A couple of tours ago I flew the mossie and G14 only,I bet I had 3 or 4 times the PW's in the Mossie.

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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2007, 03:37:36 PM »
I have to agree with shooter,pilot wounds seem to happen to me more often in the planes he's listed.
 While the 110 doesn't seem as bad as the other 2 I still get above average PW's in it.

 A couple of tours ago I flew the mossie and G14 only,I bet I had 3 or 4 times the PW's in the Mossie.

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2007, 05:35:50 PM »
Remember that if you're in a dead-perfect HO, a single-engine plane has a whole engine block between you and the bullets. A twin-engine that isn't a Do-335 (;)) has sheet armor at most.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2007, 05:55:02 PM »
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...has sheet armor at most.

Plus guns, ammo bins (not that you want those to be hit), gun mounts and instruments.
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