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Offline clerick

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2007, 09:31:37 PM »
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Remember that if you're in a dead-perfect HO, a single-engine plane has a whole engine block between you and the bullets. A twin-engine that isn't a Do-335 (;)) has sheet armor at most.


What Karnak said plus add into that he fact that the HO that woulds the pilot rarely kills the guns in a 38.  It does happen but, not nearly as often as a PW.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2007, 09:55:55 PM »
Clerick is SAPP is a secret association, how come you have it listed in your sig?

I think the p38 unjustly suffers from PW problems.

Considering you can pepper a zeke with rounds and they dont go down or that an LA7 has lazer cannons, I think this needs to be fixed.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2007, 09:58:39 PM »
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P38 your most likely to get a PW from lack of armor behind the pilot and bubble canopy

 


Wrong.

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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2007, 10:19:20 PM »
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Clerick is SAPP is a secret association, how come you have it listed in your sig?


The best way to hide something is in plain sight....

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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2007, 10:22:58 PM »
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The best way to hide something is in plain sight....

:noid


I heard Clerick stole Shuff's Blender! Is that in your sig to!?


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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2007, 10:38:37 PM »
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...has sheet armor at most.

It was good enough to protect Bong on JUL 28 1943 when he placed himself as a decoy between a single engine 38, and an enemy fighter to allow the stricken 38 to escape.  According to General George C. Kenny, there were at least 20 hits on Bong's head and seat pilot armor.
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2007, 10:43:26 PM »
I fly 110 a lot.
I've only caught a handful of PW's in them, ususlly as the result of a canopy shot.   The main thing I find that gets me with the 110 is the weak tail, it usually only takes a couple of pings to detatch it, or a well executed snap roll.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2007, 10:44:08 PM »
Sadly in a P-38 in here if you get hit by a bb from a Daisy pumped 2 times you get a pilot wound...even if it hits the armor. :p

Something is definately amiss here.
I myself think it's a conspiracy..but I aint gonna go into detail.
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2007, 12:49:15 AM »
The problem is not the armor, but that it is so easy to hit the cockpit area from a rear quarter shot. In all other aircraft you'll mostly just hit the tail structure. In a 38 only the thin tail plane is between your cockpit and the enemy's guns. And the typical cockpit armor of WWII fighter did not stop .50 cals or cannon shells. In fact they were hard pressed to stop a .30 cal round.
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2007, 03:10:18 AM »
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It was good enough to protect Bong on JUL 28 1943 when he placed himself as a decoy between a single engine 38, and an enemy fighter to allow the stricken 38 to escape.  According to General George C. Kenny, there were at least 20 hits on Bong's head and seat pilot armor.


and then he got pilot wounded, and started complaining about the ho on 200?:D

sorry murdr..if it wasn't me that put this up, then someoneelse would have.......
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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2007, 03:18:05 AM »
To those who quoted me in bursts against my "sheet armor at most" comment, it's still just sheet armor. It'll never be as hard as an engine block to penetrate from the front aspect.
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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2007, 07:30:16 AM »
Shoulda stuck some of that armoured glass in instead then.

Anyone have a copy of that Beau with the remnants of a 20mm shell dead centre?
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2007, 12:50:05 PM »
People don't seem to realize that I'm not saying it's weak. I'm saying it's JUST sheet armor below the windscreen instead of a few feet of metal or a few feet of metal with sheet armor behind it. Don't read any deeper between the lines. There's nothing there. Honest. :D

That, or nobody's actually talking to me... :noid
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2007, 01:01:43 PM »
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People don't seem to realize that I'm not saying it's weak. I'm saying it's JUST sheet armor below the windscreen instead of a few feet of metal or a few feet of metal with sheet armor behind it. Don't read any deeper between the lines. There's nothing there. Honest. :D

That, or nobody's actually talking to me... :noid


There may not be a few feet of engine but, as has been pointed out a few times, there was plenty up there other then the armor.  Guns, cannon, ammo and ammo drums would do a lot to stop an incoming round.
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