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Offline Widewing

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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2007, 02:59:20 PM »
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This page could be useful, too. Australian Ultralight Federation has nifty, little flight theory manuals that you too can understand, mustard.

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Just a specification. The difference between Indicated and True airspeed is due to the fact that, being the air thinner, the dynamic flow that impacts the Pitot tube is weaker than at sea level, this resulting in inaccurate readings of the anemomenter (explained in a rush, but if you click the above link, you'll have a thorough explanation).


It's probably due to Italian being your native language, so I think you are referring to dynamic pressure rather than flow. The airspeed indicator is a differential pressure gauge.

The system isn't measuring flow, its measuring the pressure difference between static (ambient) pressure and ram pressure in the pitot tube.

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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2007, 07:30:19 PM »
Since i have an actual pilots licsense i'll tell it to you like this. There is no way you would want a game (AH) to acurately simulate every aspect of real life flying. In terms of airspeed these are the airspeeds i remember as i haven't flown in about 8 years.

Indicated airspeed - As Widewing said measured by static pressure and ram air pitot tube pressure. Basically it's your aircraft calculating the difference between how fast your moving using the still air pressure as a reference. However since the static pressure changes with altitude it's not totally acurate. The geater the difference the higher your speed will read. Hence if you get a blocked static port in instrument conditions you will get wild inacurate readings. Pitot tubes even have a little heater in them called pitot heat to prevent icing.

True airspeed - Basically a true measurement of your aircraft's speed through the air, corrected for atmospheric temperature and pressure.

Calibrated airspeed - It's been awhile but i believe this was airspeed corrected from indicated airspeed corrected for atmospheric pressure.

Groundspeed - Your speed over the ground corrected for headwinds and tailwinds. Very important in navigation. I have been in cessnas flying and navigating and even though my indicated airspeed was reading say 100 -120 mph. When i calculated groundpeed with predicted winds aloft, i was only going 50 or 60 mph over the ground. lol

Than you have knots and mph and the differences there. A knot is longer than a statute mile so you may be going 250 knots. But that could correlate to say 300 mph.

If you think the Aces High planes don't match up to real life speeds take a plane up to altitude, look at a real life performance chart and you'll see it's right on the money. Be sure to read true airspeed. I have done extensive testing to check. A P-47N WILL do 470 tas at about 25k or so. A P-38 will do about 417 to 421 tas at 22 to 25k. Reading True airspeed.

If your're looking at indicated airspeed which is the reading off that little speed dial in your cockpit you're getting the wrong interpretation. So it's not Aces High it's you.

That's all i remember from passing that FAA exam and checkride in July of 1997 at the age of 19. It's been awhile but i think i'm pretty much right about it.

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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2007, 08:43:45 PM »
There are three airspeeds

Indicated
True
Calibrated

There was only one airspeed indicated in WWII era aircraft, that was the Indicated Airspeed.

That was the airspeed indicated on the instrument face in the panel.  Aircraft did not show True Airspeed or calibrated airspeed.

True Airspeed is the result of computations and is the result of  pressure altitude and temperature.

Calibrated Airspeed is the Indicated Airspeed corrected for instrument placement and errors.

Pilots are always trained to fly the aircraft according to what is shown on the Airspeed indicator or Indicated Airspeed.  

None of the three airspeeds is equal to ground speed.

Ground Speed is the result of the calculation time x distance + - wind triangle speed.
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Re: Speeds
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2007, 11:04:28 PM »
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There are three airspeeds

Indicated
True
Calibrated

There was only one airspeed indicated in WWII era aircraft, that was the Indicated Airspeed.

That was the airspeed indicated on the instrument face in the panel.  Aircraft did not show True Airspeed or calibrated airspeed.

True Airspeed is the result of computations and is the result of  pressure altitude and temperature.

Calibrated Airspeed is the Indicated Airspeed corrected for instrument placement and errors.

Pilots are always trained to fly the aircraft according to what is shown on the Airspeed indicator or Indicated Airspeed.  

None of the three airspeeds is equal to ground speed.

Ground Speed is the result of the calculation time x distance + - wind triangle speed.


Excellent Traveler i knew i was messing up the calibrated airspeed explanation. All this is somewhat similiar with the different compass readings. The magnetic variation, the indicated compass reading, and the compass corrected for magnetic deviation. Corrected for instrument placement and errors such as the effect of the engine, radio placement. etc
Sort of like the calibrated airspeed.

I remember when they pulled out the E6B flight computer, which is basically like a circular slide rule and started explaning all that. I almost said...I QUIT ! lol. Are you a pilot too just wondering?

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« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2007, 03:12:43 AM »
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Nothing i just want this crap to get fixed!


There is nothing TO fix...
Plus, I'm betting when you "tested" this, you forgot, as they said, to fly "Balls to the Wall"
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« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2007, 03:33:12 AM »
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It's probably due to Italian being your native language ...


Yep, that is, WW. I thought I could use flow as synonymous... the word "pressure" didn't come to mind at that moment. Thanks for the correction! :)

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Pilots are always trained to fly the aircraft according to what is shown on the Airspeed indicator or Indicated Airspeed.  


Indeed and, IIRC, there's a very good reason for this. The stall speed of an airplane doesn't change when it's stated as IAS, whereas it varies if TAS. That means that an airplane that, at sea level, stalls at, say, 150 mph of IAS, will always stall at 150 mph IAS, no matter what altitude it is. While, if you were to measure speeds as TAS, the stall speed would be varying according to altitude. This way pilots only have to remember 1 value for it.
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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2007, 09:59:18 AM »
A stall is really more of an angle Gianlupo. You can stall going straight down, just pull on the stick hard and fast enough and you'll change the airplanes angle of attack quicker than the relative wind can make up for it. Your airspeed might not even be reading the indicated stall speed value. Accelerated stalls they call them.

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« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2007, 10:10:49 AM »
Yep, I know. But angles of attack and speed are related. And I was talking about stall speed in level flight, of course, not accelerated stalls. ;)
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« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2007, 10:19:13 AM »
rgr, dodger... right you are.

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