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Offline Relorian

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Dear HTC, please consider giving the light bombers drones.
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2007, 03:49:31 PM »
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ummm.... the TMB and the SBD are navy plane, soo... try taking off with drones of a cv...


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You can take off with drones there just like you can at any airfield... only in this case instead of putting your flaps up and using the runway, you put your flaps fully down and take off with the drones. No real problem there at all.


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No offense, man, but the correlation between planes designed to divebomb and buff drones was related to the subject matter both as a technical point and as a practical one.


You justifying the dragging off course of this topic by lancsutka whiners and people who think that you should only be able to release in the bombsight view. As someone else said, people are always going to find a way to get around what ever you try to limit.

You can divebomb in the JU-88 WITH drones, it just takes not yanking up on the stick like maniac and then screaming when your drones explode. You have to pull up slowly which means you have to start your run higher.  Its perfectly doable and SHOULD be added in because as it is, very few people fly the Ju-87, TBM, SDB, D3A1 or B5N. The naval planes only ever see use by most when they need a bomber off the CV and then its only a throw away plane.

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Dear HTC, please consider giving the light bombers drones.
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2007, 08:14:57 PM »
If this were to be implemented than it could possibly increase the use of the SBD as the Corsair and the Hellcat carry more ord.

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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2007, 08:22:36 PM »
so would a 1600lb bomb which it could carry.
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Dear HTC, please consider giving the light bombers drones.
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2007, 09:19:07 PM »
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You justifying the dragging off course of this topic by lancsutka whiners and people who think that you should only be able to release in the bombsight view. As someone else said, people are always going to find a way to get around what ever you try to limit.

You can divebomb in the JU-88 WITH drones, it just takes not yanking up on the stick like maniac and then screaming when your drones explode. You have to pull up slowly which means you have to start your run higher.  Its perfectly doable and SHOULD be added in because as it is, very few people fly the Ju-87, TBM, SDB, D3A1 or B5N. The naval planes only ever see use by most when they need a bomber off the CV and then its only a throw away plane.


I'm not "justifying" anyone or anything other than a probable game limitation for modeling drones for divebombers. Dive bombers are light bombers. Adding drones is the request. Both of those are in the title of the thread. Ain't nothing "off course" about it.  ;)

Adding drones to SBDs, D3As or even Stukas[/i] isn't gonna change MA tactics where the bigger the bang the better it is and a Lanc (apparently) can be used for dive-bombing. That's not whine, my fine experienced AH pilot friend, that's fact. :D People who aren't stuck in such mindsets used divebombers and did so in their traditional manner without requiring drones (pop-proof or not) to make the idea of using them more palatable .... three years ago (*sigh* ... ahem). If that's changed then adding drones isn't gonna help (at least after the novelty wears off - give it a month) and your rationalization is a lost cause. I reckon that addresses your perceived relevance to topic. :aok
« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 09:55:51 PM by Arlo »

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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2007, 09:47:02 PM »
Arlo, from a technical aspect, they're talking more about glide bombing with the heavies, not dive bombing.  Folks use the dive bomber moniker since they're not dropping straight and level.

For the TBM, there were only a handful of actual uses of a bombsite and level bombing during the war.  Most of time, they took the bombsite out and used dive/glide bomb techniques. (source Wings of Gold, among others).  Additionally, the SBD, Stuka and Val were used almost exclusively as a dive bombers.  The Kate (when carrying bombs) also used dive bombing technique.  Given the fact that drones only maintain formation when flying straight and level, using classic dive bombing technique, there's no way the drones stay in position through the Split S/70-80 degree dive angle dive bombing run.  That's not to say that they wouldn't eventually regain position perhaps.  But seeing how a flight of 3 SBD's would roll into the target individually, pickle individually, and pull off in different directions to avoid flak, I don't believe drones are consistent with their historical useage when compared to strategic, level bombers.
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2007, 09:54:37 PM »
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Arlo, from a technical aspect, they're talking more about glide bombing with the heavies, not dive bombing.  Folks use the dive bomber moniker since they're not dropping straight and level.

For the TBM, there were only a handful of actual uses of a bombsite and level bombing during the war.  Most of time, they took the bombsite out and used dive/glide bomb techniques. (source Wings of Gold, among others).  Additionally, the SBD, Stuka and Val were used almost exclusively as a dive bombers.  The Kate (when carrying bombs) also used dive bombing technique.  Given the fact that drones only maintain formation when flying straight and level, using classic dive bombing technique, there's no way the drones stay in position through the Split S/70-80 degree dive angle dive bombing run.  That's not to say that they wouldn't eventually regain position perhaps.  But seeing how a flight of 3 SBD's would roll into the target individually, pickel individually, and pull off in different directions to avoid flak, I don't believe drones are consistent with their historical useage when compared to strategic, level bombers.


I suspected such from the description. Then I still suspect adding drones to divebombers is a useless endevour. Thanks for the confirmation. Kinda hard to test drive the theory when you're on hiatus from the game. :(
« Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 09:58:03 PM by Arlo »

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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2007, 10:52:39 PM »
Droop-snoot 38 with 2 drones :D

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more drones
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2007, 12:55:13 PM »
I think they should put an option on offline practice that allows u to change the amount of drones you have. (you could have big bomb raids with 15 drones following u!!!):D

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Re: more drones
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2007, 07:46:43 PM »
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Dear HTC, please consider giving the light bombers drones.
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2007, 05:16:13 PM »
I agree with Beefcake.
I would like to see the "light buffs" as he put it with some drones.

Sure would make those rides more palatable in FSO.
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