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China Chooses Airbus; Gnashing of Teeth Heard in Ripsnortville
« on: November 26, 2007, 03:00:31 AM »
Well, China ordered 160 planes from Airbus for about €10 billion and ordered another €8 billion of nuclear reactors from France's Areva. China will certainly be shifting more to Euros instead of US$.

It's events like these, that outwardly seem insignificant in the overall economy,  that can trigger significant runs from the US$. In addition, China Investment Corporation is actively recruiting people from around the world to begin shifting its $1.4 trillion of foreign reserve investments away from US Treasuries and into alternate risk, global markets.

Markets will start reacting to this stories today.

I'm into big bear mode now on the US economy for next year - it could be the worst in our lifetime. I'm still convinced that the economy will be issue number one, come election time. Not one of the current presidential candidates is equipped to handle it, except Ron Paul. The rest will want to spend their way out, but no amount of additional deficit spending will fix anything. It will only deepen and extend the recession because it's more of the same foolish cosmetic growth that is part of the cause. This recession will be a different animal that will require concrete, systemic changes.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 03:22:18 AM »
There could be some gnashing of teeth in Toulouse too.

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Airbus' agreement to assemble planes in China was seen as part of a long-term strategy to win a greater share of the Chinese market that for years was dominated by Boeing. Its final assembly line in the Chinese city of Tianjian is due to deliver its first aircraft in early 2009. The plant is expected to be able to produce four A320s a month by 2011 and a total of about 300 A320 planes by 2016.


Seems there might be more Yuans than Euros in this deal.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 03:38:50 AM »
Did they give the Chinese assembly plants the wing or will it be shipped intact to China?
Does anybody know?
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 05:04:25 AM »
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Airbus also seeks to form new industrial partnerships whenever possible. For example, the A318 is the first new Airbus aircraft to have been developed with the help of a team of Chinese engineers and the specially commissioned roll-on, roll-off ship that transports A380 components was built at the Jinling shipyard. In addition, Airbus has several major technology transfer programmes underway, including one that will enable the complete wing of the A320 Family to be manufactured in China and another that will see up to 200 Chinese engineers employed at an Airbus engineering centre in the region by 2008.


'course Boeing has worldwide supply chain too...
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 06:43:05 AM »
We should SLAM the door on communist chinese products and buy from Free China (Taiwan) or Japan for products we don't make here.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 08:55:21 AM »
Considering that Airbus is in dire straights from a profit-making point of view (negative 1.46 billion 3rd q. loss :eek: ) that's good news for Airbus. The order may have pushed Airbus past Boeing for total orders this year (it has for the time being, but the year is not over yet). Unfortunately it means nothing for the workers of EADS due to the assembly line in China and benefits only those profits for the corp execs at Airbus.

One thing that is worrisome to me is the fact that anything I buy that has "made in China" has a quality factor equivelent to the Japanese stuff post-WW2. Hopefully China will work on these quality issues as Japan finally did, and bring the QA factor up, after all, these are people flying on these aircraft. :confused:
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2007, 09:10:09 AM »
Whatever you do do NOT lick the wings of the Airbuses or lick your fingers if you have touched any parts made in China.

Just a heads up.
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oh the horror
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2007, 09:46:07 AM »
well that just means more dead chinese in the near future as those second rate aircraft come apart in flight.

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Re: China Chooses Airbus; Gnashing of Teeth Heard in Ripsnortville
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 09:59:20 AM »
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Originally posted by Rolex
Well, China ordered 160 planes from Airbus for about €10 billion and ordered another €8 billion of nuclear reactors from France's Areva. China will certainly be shifting more to Euros instead of US$.

It's events like these, that outwardly seem insignificant in the overall economy,  that can trigger significant runs from the US$. In addition, China Investment Corporation is actively recruiting people from around the world to begin shifting its $1.4 trillion of foreign reserve investments away from US Treasuries and into alternate risk, global markets.

Markets will start reacting to this stories today.

I'm into big bear mode now on the US economy for next year - it could be the worst in our lifetime. I'm still convinced that the economy will be issue number one, come election time. Not one of the current presidential candidates is equipped to handle it, except Ron Paul. The rest will want to spend their way out, but no amount of additional deficit spending will fix anything. It will only deepen and extend the recession because it's more of the same foolish cosmetic growth that is part of the cause. This recession will be a different animal that will require concrete, systemic changes.


It's what happens when our govt makes it easy to outsource everything to foreign countries. Then fiances our budget with loans from other countries. This is what guys like me have been crying about for a very long time, when watching Bush run our country into the ground.

No business in the world can continue to spend more than it makes over and over again and have any chance in  hell of continuing to stay afloat. We are only just now starting to see the begining of what's to come.
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Re: oh the horror
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 09:59:39 AM »
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well that just means more dead chinese in the near future as those second rate aircraft come apart in flight.


Or on the ground:D




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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 09:59:44 AM »
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Originally posted by Curval
Whatever you do do NOT lick the wings of the Airbuses or lick your fingers if you have touched any parts made in China.

Just a heads up.
:rofl

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Re: Re: oh the horror
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2007, 10:01:57 AM »
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Or on the ground:D





I see the problem there.. The pilot swerved to miss Santa Clause whom is there standing by the tail.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2007, 10:50:16 AM »
Killing Santa is not good PR.:D

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2007, 11:20:51 AM »
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
We should SLAM the door on communist chinese products and buy from Free China (Taiwan) or Japan for products we don't make here.

That wouldn't achieve anything except up the cost to you -- all the Taiwanese & Japanese stuff is made by the communist Chinese too.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2007, 11:48:00 AM »
its a common Airbus practice to give away airplanes at the end of the year, just to out produce Boeing.  AB wont make any money on that deal.
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