Bunny Ranch for Ron Paul

[Arlo]

Originally posted by VOR
Plausible.

Epitath?

[VOR]

FEMA was almost as big a disaster as the local gov't in the Katrina sideshow. I doubt many survivors would welcome the help of either the next time Nawlins sinks (and we know it will).

[Arlo]

So the rationalization behind disbanding government is government mismanagement?

[VOR]

I'm not advocating disbanding the government. I would advocate slimming it down do a more manageable and accountable size.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by VOR
I'm not advocating disbanding the government. I would advocate slimming it down do a more manageable and accountable size.

I don't disagree, per say. It's what agencies and departments serve the most productive and vital roles where most have differences. Even then, I can be swayed.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Treat it as a disease like alcoholism instead of a crime.


ack-ack

Can you elaborate as to whom you would be treating? How would you treat it and would the treatment be mandatory?

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
NO!  NO NO NO!  *Swats rabbid's nose like a bad dog*

No taxes at all!  Especially not for that.  It is not the government's duty to hold your hand, steal other people's money to try to fix YOUR problems.

Actually, what I'm advocating is all taxes be handled at the lowest level and those taxes collected being spent on those who paid them.  In this case I'm advocating that the taxes collected via drugs be spent on drug prevention.  Just the same as gas taxes being spent on roadwork.

Drug use just sucks but the current system just does not work.  Without a society that is extremely regimented illegalization just doesn't work.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Motherland
How is the government supposed to do anything with out a source of income?

YAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Thats the point!

That which Governs least Governs BEST!

 “[A] wise and frugal government... shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.” —Thomas Jefferson



"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!"~~Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) On MSNBC

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by Maverick
Thats a nice concept but overly simplistic in execution. No matter what you do regarding drugs, society and the govt. both will end up having to deal with the consequences. There is no way that drug use will remain behind a closed door and not be out in the public, particularly on the roads as well as in other areas where it won't be making some kind of impact on the general populace.

I don't know what the "perfect" solution is or will be. I just know that it's pie in the sky to think everything will be just fine if all the legal restrictions are eliminated on drugs.

6 packs of opiate / stimulant "beer" available to adults will end civilization as we know it... people will have too much fun, sex will become easier to get... chicks will start giving away more than the USDA amount, people will miss work to have casual intimate relations.... corporate America will lose billions in "booty cheddar".

Worst of all, hypes and crack-heads wont have to steal anymore... they can walk into 7-11 for a fix like a nicotine addict / alcoholic, the gendarme will grow wicked bored and start doing pro-active police work...  car theft will plummet, auto insurance will become hella cheap... it'll be total anarchy!!

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Maverick
Thats a nice concept but overly simplistic in execution. No matter what you do regarding drugs, society and the govt. both will end up having to deal with the consequences. There is no way that drug use will remain behind a closed door and not be out in the public, particularly on the roads as well as in other areas where it won't be making some kind of impact on the general populace.

I don't know what the "perfect" solution is or will be. I just know that it's pie in the sky to think everything will be just fine if all the legal restrictions are eliminated on drugs.

Alcohol is a mind bending recreational drug.

TIGERESS

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Arlo
So the rationalization behind disbanding government is government mismanagement?

The rationalization of disbanding the government is the thought process that tells us that everyone wants to be governed the same way.


Until this becomes possible, in that everyone gets to be governed the way they want, the only logical solution is that you allow them to govern themselves.

Actually, what I'm advocating is all taxes be handled at the lowest level and those taxes collected being spent on those who paid them. In this case I'm advocating that the taxes collected via drugs be spent on drug prevention. Just the same as gas taxes being spent on roadwork.

Gas taxes promote driving.  Would drug taxes promote drug use?


If not, then they should not be collected at all.  And we get back to the original issue in that if someone has something wrong with them, they should pay for it themselves.  It's foolish and degrading to demand that we pay (or be punished) for other people's problems.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
6 packs of opiate / stimulant "beer" available to adults will end civilization as we know it... people will have too much fun, sex will become easier to get... chicks will start giving away more than the USDA amount, people will miss work to have casual intimate relations.... corporate America will lose billions in "booty cheddar".

Worst of all, hypes and crack-heads wont have to steal anymore... they can walk into 7-11 for a fix like a nicotine addict / alcoholic, the gendarme will grow wicked bored and start doing pro-active police work...  car theft will plummet, auto insurance will become hella cheap... it'll be total anarchy!!

You really are off the chart if you think dealing with drugs (or the drug war if you like) is the majority of police work. It's quite the opposite as the dedicated narcotics section is one of the smallest sections in the average PD.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Tigeress
Alcohol is a mind bending recreational drug.

TIGERESS

I would disagree with you on the mind bending part but besides that, your point is?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
The rationalization of disbanding the government is the thought process that tells us that everyone wants to be governed the same way.

Until this becomes possible, in that everyone gets to be governed the way they want, the only logical solution is that you allow them to govern themselves.

Ah. The rationalization behind disbanding government is anti-social/selfish tendency (of which you think everyone suffers). Gotcha.

Until everyone gets their individual way the only rational thing to do is live in total anarchy.

Your logic never ceases to amaze, LS.

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by Maverick
You really are off the chart if you think dealing with drugs (or the drug war if you like) is the majority of police work. It's quite the opposite as the dedicated narcotics section is one of the smallest sections in the average PD.

I never mentioned it was the "majority", thats your suggestion. It's entirely JDIC / RD specific anyway. The chief of San Jose PD was given an equipment budget from the city manager of $0.00... when he asked how he was supposed to pay for stuff, "asset seizure"... from drug related cases of course... asset seizures are easier than convictions, all they need is a "preponderance of the evidence" to take away property.

It doesn't take Detective Friday to figure out that drug cases became a priority at SJPD... weather it was a "majority" problem or not.

Rather than wasting resources on the WOD to get some cash for police toys, they could have been doing pro-active / "broken window" stuff... like taking every narc unit and having them target car theft, child molesters and violent criminals.  

Drug addicts just want to get high, they are forced to steal because of the inflated illegal prices.. letting them walk into 7-11 like a smoker / alcoholic for a fix apparently makes too much sense.