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Offline Ghastly

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How do you fly an LA effectively?
« on: November 28, 2007, 02:56:23 PM »
No, I'm not being facetious.  

I don't do at all well in the LAs, and I don't really understand what I do differently than others do - I see guys landing 7-9 kill sorties in them on a regular basis (and often, you see guys land a half dozen sorties in them of 5 or more kills).

When I do fly them, I find that between the slow ROF on the cannons and the amount of bullet drop I go through most of an ammo load for 1 to 2 kills, and that coupled with the fact that by the time I get anywhere in one I've burned 1/2 a tank of gas they are frustrating and ineffective to fly.

What are you guys that are able to use them effectively doing differently?

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 03:06:26 PM »
I never fly the LA-7 but I do fly the 5 occasionally.  Where I have convergences set anywhere from 400-650 in other planes, I have it pulled into 200 in the LA-5.

Also, don't fly over ~10K.  They aren't that good with alt.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 03:33:12 PM »
Fly really fast. Never slow down. Cherry pick and vulch your way to victory.

oh, and hot-pad.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 03:38:53 PM »
i usualy get three or so kills go rearm and come back lol
at take off i dont climb much higher than 6 k anything mroe is just a waste of fuel cause your gonna be on the deck as soon as your in.

bout the only planes that will catch you is a temp and a few others in a flat chase though anyone with supreme alt can come down and hang with you a min.

use your speed to hammer people, wehn things get thick extend away on the deck and climb back up to 6k
i always take full fuel and if im going more than a sector i cut rpm on take off down to 2000
still gives 2000. ft min rate of climb
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 03:47:45 PM »
I used to be prejudiced against them, but I have been flying them lately in disadvantaged base defense -- where they excell. Most people who hate the La7 hate it because of how many weak pilots use it as a HO/Rocket run/reverse and repeat machine. But, it's actually more fun (and more successful) if you fight it like you would anything else, with style tweaks to take advantage of its strong points.

I'm no ace, but here's my take:

* As with any plane, you have to UNDERSTAND what it's good at and what it's not, and how hard to push it. Think of it as a whopping big engine with wings strapped on...it's fast, it accelerates, it climbs well. In a fight, use what it does well and what your opponent doesnt!

* If you're in a crowd, keep it fast. If you slow down to get a kill, either have only a few enemiies around -- or be prepared to die. That doesnt mean you have to extend 10K before reversing; just don't give away lots of energy (alt+speed squared) and get down into, say, the Zero's favorite flight envelope. Now, it's quite possible to stall fight well in the La7, but MA stall fighters don't often get home, and that's what you're saying you want to do.

* Save your shots for up close. There aren't that many rounds, they fire slowly, and they scatter at longer ranges. Take shots you can make, and make the shots you take. (This is a must if you want to get long runs of kills in any plane!)

*If you turn, make sure you use the vertical. Your plane has lots of acceleration and climb; if you keep your nose generally up your opponents generally won't be able to keep up with the climb, and you'll gain position.

*On the other hand, if you get too sloooowwww in your climb you may allow a true stall fighter to drop flaps, briefly pull nose way up to get the angle, and recover from a stall while your wing flutters to the ground without you. Faster and wider favors you more.

*As in any plane, you need to get good at multi-con management. Good SA is a must, and you need to be able to judge who is the greatest threat at any given time. In fact, if you want to get a string of kills you need to stop thinking about SA as "remembering to look behind now and then." Situational Awareness includes everything around you -- where the enemies are, how close is the enemy base (where new, still unseen enemies will come from), how fast/high are the cons around you, which friendlies seem to be engaging which enemy and how likely are they to succeed, which 3K cons have a chance at a good shooting angle when they get closer.....you get the idea.

If you haven't tried it, I strongly suggest you drop in for a few of Widewings multi-con management furballs. They're in the TA, and are on the trainers' schedule. You take turns trying to survive one against 4-5, and you learn to when and how to convert to the offense to whittle down the odds.


You'll notice that a lot of "how to succeed in Plane X" comes down to general pilot combat skills. No plane has a formula; to succeed you need to understand how fighting works.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 03:48:02 PM »
Keep it fast, fight aggresively, and fight in the vertical with it and it's a monster ... get in close to make the shot and those 400 rounds will go a long way.

Most who land 7-9 kill sorties aren't doing that in just 1 sortie and are usually pickin' in the furball and/or vulching ... I doubt strongly that they are getting that many kills in true Air-to-Air Combat.

Don't get me wrong ... there are a select few who can get those kind of numbers in a single La-7 sortie ... but they are far and few between.

Shane ... one of the best La-7 pilots in the game routinely landed 4 and 5 kill sorties, but 7 to 9 ... very rarely and there was probably a few vulches in the bunch too.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 03:53:45 PM »
To be effective in a LA7 just take off then get some sleep.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 03:56:23 PM »
Speed is life in the LA. U get slow u die.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 03:58:55 PM »
Slap said it better and shorter than I did.

Remember, its way easier to keep BAD habits in an La7 than it is in other planes becuase pilots can use the speed to escape the consequences of their mistakes. You can excell in ACM as an La7 pilot, but doing that requires that you work at it...that you figure out what you're doing wrong and learn how to do it better.

There is (almost) nothing scarier than a really good pilot in an La7
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 04:02:02 PM »
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Re: How do you fly an LA effectively?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 04:04:41 PM »
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Originally posted by Ghastly
No, I'm not being facetious.  

I don't do at all well in the LAs, and I don't really understand what I do differently than others do - I see guys landing 7-9 kill sorties in them on a regular basis (and often, you see guys land a half dozen sorties in them of 5 or more kills).

When I do fly them, I find that between the slow ROF on the cannons and the amount of bullet drop I go through most of an ammo load for 1 to 2 kills, and that coupled with the fact that by the time I get anywhere in one I've burned 1/2 a tank of gas they are frustrating and ineffective to fly.

What are you guys that are able to use them effectively doing differently?

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I never fly the LA-7 but I do fly the 5 occasionally.  Where I have convergences set anywhere from 400-650 in other planes, I have it pulled into 200 in the LA-5.

Also, don't fly over ~10K.  They aren't that good with alt.
Bring all of the charts you want, I rarely go over 15k in one, but I've never had a "noticeable issue" above 15k.    9 times out of 10 I'll be the one landing.  Why?  I've come to realize A LOT of folks have a hard time understanding the Energy status of their opponent.

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Fly really fast. Never slow down. Cherry pick and vulch your way to victory.

oh, and hot-pad.
Sure.   Too bad the La7 is one of the best turners in the game.   90% of the MA "pilots" fail to understand this, so they HO, BnZ, etc.   They are actually using the planes weaknesses.   Turning is easy in the La7 as long as you DO NOT use flaps, instead use throttle manipulation.  

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Originally posted by goober69
i usualy get three or so kills go rearm and come back lol
at take off i dont climb much higher than 6 k anything mroe is just a waste of fuel cause your gonna be on the deck as soon as your in.

bout the only planes that will catch you is a temp and a few others in a flat chase though anyone with supreme alt can come down and hang with you a min.

use your speed to hammer people, wehn things get thick extend away on the deck and climb back up to 6k
i always take full fuel and if im going more than a sector i cut rpm on take off down to 2000
still gives 2000. ft min rate of climb
If you can only manage 3 Air to Air kills, your gunnery is to blame.   You must be wasting ammo to go through the 450 rounds.   My guess is you aren't utilizing the Convergence to your flying habits.  

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Keep it fast, fight aggresively, and fight in the vertical with it and it's a monster ... get in close to make the shot and those 400 rounds will go a long way.

Most who land 7-9 kill sorties aren't doing that in just 1 sortie and are usually pickin' in the furball and/or vulching ... I doubt strongly that they are getting that many kills in true Air-to-Air Combat.

Don't get me wrong ... there are a select few who can get those kind of numbers in a single La-7 sortie ... but they are far and few between.

Shane ... one of the best La-7 pilots in the game routinely landed 4 and 5 kill sorties, but 7 to 9 ... very rarely and there was probably a few vulches in the bunch too.
Shane was good, but SECOmust was better.    SECO and I had some knock down drag out fights on the Pizza map.   I recollected one such occasion and was flamed for "building my ego up".    


Last night I managed 3 kills with 387 rounds left.    Simaril, Bison and another. Last week I landed 9 kills in one sortie, with no rearms.    I don't pick, rarely vultch and don't run.   Typically, I'll land 4-5 a hop with ammo to spare and fuel/oil being the culprit.

I realize my post will come off as "ego driven", but it isn't.   I turn the La7 often and it is still the best plane for base defense.    I am very crafty in an La7.  

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2007, 04:05:46 PM »
wow how are you not good in the la7??? the la7 can out excel, climb, turn, and dive better then most planes in the game. TURN?? yes the LA7 turns amazing once you really learn to fly it. now the gas part all you have to do is climb about 10k takes 3 minutes lol, then turn down your rpms a little. there is no reason to fly a la7 at pull paste at 10k. also for the guns set them at 350 and then aim at 350. thoughs guns are really good when you hit something.

im no LA pilot but i do know how to fly it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 04:07:57 PM »
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Speed is life in the LA. U get slow u die.
Anytime you want to test this theory PM me in game.    You'll learn how incorrect your statement is.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2007, 04:15:23 PM »
The La-7 is simply the best unperked fighter in the game ... for MA style combat that is. Its even better than most perked planes imho.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 04:19:15 PM »
Most people see only the top speed when they look at the La7. Few realize that actually the acceleration and power are it's biggest asset and that flying full power all the time puts all agility & power to waste. Work your throttle!
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