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Offline SlapShot

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How do you fly an LA effectively?
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2007, 04:23:00 PM »
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wow how are you not good in the la7??? the la7 can out excel, climb, turn, and dive better then most planes in the game.


Very true ... but if you want to really "fight" the La-7 you must know how to handle all those in concert.

It's advantages can end up being disadvantages if not used correctly ... and u will be a very easy kill if you stick around.
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Re: Re: How do you fly an LA effectively?
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2007, 04:37:03 PM »
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Shane was good, but SECOmust was better.    SECO and I had some knock down drag out fights on the Pizza map.   I recollected one such occasion and was flamed for "building my ego up".


Shane was more than just "good" in an La-7, as was SECOmust.

Back in the AH1 days, I flew the La-7 exclusively for at least 8 tours and landed 1000s of kills in that time period.

I know my way around an La-7 too, and have also had many multi-kill sorties, but to accomplish that ... without picking and vulching ... requires many hours in an La-7 fighting the "fight" and knowing how to handle the "beast" ... most who fly the La-7 don't know it like that ... hence my remark that most who do land 7-8 kill sorties are pickin' and vulchin'.
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How do you fly an LA effectively?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2007, 04:46:30 PM »
In a word.........

Throttle

No plane other then the spitfire requires as much throttle input. Yes you can scream around at top speed and spray...but run into a guy in a lala who fly's the "X" and works the throttle and your in a fight. The lala's (both of them) are outstanding e fighters. Work the gas & use the verticals and your rudder and the la-7 is as dangerous (or more so) then anything in the game...

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How do you fly an LA effectively?
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2007, 04:59:53 PM »
Karaya (and others too) if I understand correctly you guys rely heavily on it's turn capabilities to outmaneuver your opponents to get the kill shot (i.e. dogfighting) - rather than relying on it's speed to "slash and run".

That's probably a big part of my problem, then - I fly the F4U almost exclusively and it doesn't out-accelerate or out-turn too much of anything in the game, so I tend to rely heavily on staying fast, having alt over my opponents to begin with, and in retaining energy as much as I can - transitioning to lag , breaking high for a vertical turn, or using high yoyo or barrel roll attack if I need to turn more than about 90 degrees to follow my target.  I'll try being a lot more aggressive in the engagement when I fly the LA's and see how that goes.

I definitely am wasteful with the ammo in them - I can't figure out how to gauge anything but a simple "saddled-up" shot, and even then, if he's jinking, he seems to fly right between rounds half the time.  

Thanks for the responses - I'll try the planes out again and try to force a change in flying style accordingly, and see what happens.

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 05:09:05 PM »
You need to practice your gunnery and learn how to set up kills. You should never shoot more than a quick burst or two at a time.

Personally, I rarely ever take pop shots at a plane unless I know I will hit it. As long as you can find the planes to shoot, an LA 7 should have enough ammo to easily kill 4 to 5 planes in a sortie. Hell I don't even fly them that much and I had a 9 kill sortie in a LA7 last week.
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2007, 05:40:02 PM »
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I fly the F4U almost exclusively and it doesn't out-accelerate or out-turn too much of anything in the game...
Um, lol... wow.  I think you need to actually pay attention to the aircraft you are flying.  The F4u can outturn some of the Spitfires with its flaps.  Your problem with the La7 is probably related to this.    

Fly all out, don't hold back and bnz like a noob.  See what your plane can actually do.  You'll die, yes, but you'lll learn.

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2007, 05:56:58 PM »
Even though it turns well .............use the vertical.......... there are many AC that can make  better instantanious (not sustained) short turns for angle.

There is alot of control from the rudder ........It (the rudder) saps E use it dont abuse it.

It also hangs very well .......

Actually flaps are usefull but you have to use them sensibly...... I only use them in turn 1 v 1 and usually when yoyo ing or chopping the top angle of a loop.

Good gunnery skills turn the La into a monster as (nose up) it can chop angles at will and you can hang it and lead with a falling nose....but dont even touch the trigger at range over 400.

In furballs throttle control is essential or you will find it prone to over shoot at worst or simply lag the target at best.

If you "HO and run" in it you will simply add to its (IMO) undeservedly bad name. However such a reputation does mean that you are the target of first choice for a gang bang.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2007, 06:20:37 PM »
simple, dont fly the garbage
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2007, 06:24:10 PM »
90% of the time when I think I'm in a runstang I land only to find out I was in a laffie. Go figure. I fly a laffie like a runstang like a yak like a spitfire. I guess that means you should fly it like a spit on steroids.

If you run into a laffie that gets into a turn fight with you it's prolly me cause I think I'm really in a runstang cept I don't do all that much running.

What did I just say? :noid

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2007, 06:24:22 PM »
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simple, dont fly the garbage
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2007, 06:25:06 PM »
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90% of the time when I think I'm in a runstang I land only to find out I was in a laffie. Go figure. I fly a laffie like a runstang like a yak like a spitfire. I guess that means you should fly it like a spit on steroids.

If you run into a laffie that gets into a turn fight with you it's prolly me cause I think I'm really in a runstang cept I don't do all that much running.

What did I just say? :noid

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Re: Re: How do you fly an LA effectively?
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2007, 06:39:01 PM »
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Read below Ghastly.



Sure.   Too bad the La7 is one of the best turners in the game.   90% of the MA "pilots" fail to understand this, so they HO, BnZ, etc.   They are actually using the planes weaknesses.   Turning is easy in the La7 as long as you DO NOT use flaps, instead use throttle manipulation.  

Flame on.



Then tell me, how do i outturn an LA with a pony at mid speeds? 200-250 knots?
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2007, 06:45:05 PM »
lol? im a noob? i been playin 4 years, plus, LA takes like no skill to fly, a real plane is P-47, accually takes skills


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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2007, 06:45:39 PM »
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That's probably a big part of my problem, then - I fly the F4U almost exclusively and it doesn't out-accelerate or out-turn too much of anything in the game, so I tend to rely heavily on staying fast, having alt over my opponents to begin with, and in retaining energy as much as I can - transitioning to lag , breaking high for a vertical turn, or using high yoyo or barrel roll attack if I need to turn more than about 90 degrees to follow my target.  I'll try being a lot more aggressive in the engagement when I fly the LA's and see how that goes.
 


Well Ghastly, it's time I got you into the TA to explore what the F4U can do. In a stall fight, any F4U will out-turn the La-7. I know, you've probably never seen an La-7 that slow..  :)  A good La-7 stick will try to avoid getting slow with flaps out, and try to keep the fight in the vertical. Despite that, he'll need to be a good stick if he meets one of the better F4U drivers who know how to exploit the Corsair's strengths.

Urchin and I flew a few duels with the La-7 and F4U-4, down on the deck. We agreed that these aircraft are a very even match, until speed bleeds down. The slower the fight got, the more the -4 hog began to gain the edge. Thus, the La-7 needs to get a quick kill, before too much E is bled down.

One of the great strengths of the F4Us is their ability to transition from a fast fight to a slow fight absolutely seamlessly. They are comfortable at virtually any speed from 90 mph to 550 mph.

I haven't spent much time in the MA this month (a few hours), but I did see an La-7 that made me chuckle. I spotted a single dot on dar slowly heading to a field. I was in a P-47D-25, so I started climbing. Passing 15k I see a distant, high dot. I kept climbing. At about 18k I see the icon. It's an La-7 6k higher than me. He pushes his nose over and dives towards me. I spiral out of the way and the La-7 blows by. I follow him down, but eased out at 5k while the La-7 went straight into the ground... Guess this fellow didn't know that the La-7 gets a wee bit stiff at speed. He knows now.

As to the La-7 in general....

One of the better La-7 sticks is 2bighorn. We've flown countless duels, but almost never with me in an La-7. I usually fly something else. A while ago, we had an epic brawl that lasted at least 10 minutes. I was flying a 109G-2. My conclusion was that the 109G-2 was at least the equal of the La-7 1v1. It simply handles better at low speeds, but only if you keep maneuvering to the left. Roll or turn right and torque becomes a limiting factor. Go right too often and you hand the advantage to the La-7. Most players will not encounter this as they don't fly for 10 minutes at the absolute limits of the airplanes. However, when the difference is razor thin, you notice where one is better than the other. You notice and remember it for future reference.

Likewise, 2bighorn and I dueled La-7 vs Spit14. Again, this was a very even match, with neither pilot being able to gain enough for a shot. That is, until the Spitfire ran out of WEP. Then, the La-7 held a slight advantage. Enough that 2bighorn eventually was able to get guns on.

Flying duels to measure aircraft performance is usually more entertaining than dueling to measure winkie size. Neither of us ever cared who won, we were more interested in defining the aircraft capabilities. We probably dueled every fighter match-up possible. We've even dueled Ju 88 vs Boston (Boston is far superior). That's one reason why 2bighorn is so good. He knows the absolute limits of every plane in the game. Every duel with him is a white-knuckle experience, no matter how good you are or wished you were.

Now, 2 bighorn is in and out of the game frequently. He changes handles more often than socks. His style is a dead giveaway though.. When he next returns, look him up in the TA or DA (where he spends much of his time) and ask him to show you the finer points of the La-7. He is probably the best La-7 driver that I've seen and a very able teacher to boot.

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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2007, 06:46:59 PM »
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lol? im a noob? i been playin 4 years, plus, LA takes like no skill to fly, a real plane is P-47, accually takes skills


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WE don't fly REAL PLANES in this game redman.   But yes, the La7 DOES take skill, other than HO's, BnZ timid "tactics".    I fly the D11 from time to time.

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