Boroda, one more argument for your fight against "democracy"

[MiloMorai]

In Utah you don't have to sign the ticket. Anyways signing is not saying your guilty of speeding but only that you received a ticket.

There is a big thread over at the SimHQ on this.
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2383913#Post2383913

[DREDIOCK]

One of the few things Jersey gets right.

Here you dont sign the ticket when you get one

Cop hands you a ticket and you have 2 choices.
Go to court on the date written on the ticket and fight it.
Or Go down to the courthouse and pay the fine (Unlesss there is a court appearence required)

There is a 3rd option. Ignore the ticket.
but that usually ends up with you getting all sorts of nasty letters from teh township which if you ignore also. ends up with a cop knocking on your door to arrest you LOL

[Fishu]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Simple and easy instructions for anyone smarter than a fern to follow, yet Jared decided ignoring the officer and walking away was prudent LMAO... thats called "felony stupid", the last thing you want to do is hand the officer justification to drop you in your tracks.

On the other... I question his officer safety & tact, or lack there of... trying to hook someone while alone is a recipe for disaster that invites exactly that type of force escalation.

He shot the guy in the BACK with his tazer. The guy was backing off from the cop. You can't be serious that everyone who disagrees to comply with a cop could and should be tazered just for that alone.

Tazer is a weapon and should be used only as such. Not as an obedience tool to make it easier (and more fun) to you.

Even more stupid was the cops action after he had tazered the guy - He immediately insisted the guy to put hands behind his back. Right after that he tazered the guy again. There's no excuse to that kind of behaviour. Most people who get unexpectedly tazered are not going to do anything but lay on the ground for the next few seconds. This guy was clearly bewildered and didn't believe he'd be tazed just like that.

The guy didn't exactly behave as a model citizen, but neither did he do anything that would give the cop right to taze him. Especially for the second time.

[Rich46yo]

Theres also a 4'th option. Become a LEO so you dont feel like you have to spend the rest of your life posting obsessive compulsive negative Police stories.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
A-lot of people get their nuts in a wad and refuse to sign tickets, happens all the time... having a unit or 2 back-up arrive, with one final explanation that:

They can sign the ticket and go home, or...
Get yanked out, maybe through the sunroof, pepper sprayed, stomped and tasered if need be.. after that humiliation they get booked with the infamous rapist "bubba", and the car gets towed & stored at their expense.

At this point, 99% of the time, they grumble about whatever and sign the ticket.

And the difference between a cop that behaves like this and a common dickless, brainless thug with a gun is what, exactly? They both make their money abusing and bullying the public... They both get a hard on from being able to act the way they do with near, or perceived impunity.

The biggest difference I can see is that criminals have more of a chance of getting in trouble, so they have to be smarter and more careful...Oh yeah, and they don't refer to themselves as 'units'.

I'd rather get mugged than have to give a molecule of respect and obedience to an idiot in uniform that would act this way.

Thankfully, I somehow doubt that too many cops actually approve of this type of ritualized abuse.

[Shamus]

If a few of the guys that act like this started losing their pensions and the news got around the in the law enforcement community, this stuff would cease.

shamus

[sunfan1121]

It is disputible that the guy should have benn tased the first time. but the second time was uncalled fore.

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by Fishu
He shot the guy in the BACK with his tazer. The guy was backing off from the cop. You can't be serious that everyone who disagrees to comply with a cop could and should be tazered just for that alone.

Tazer is a weapon and should be used only as such. Not as an obedience tool to make it easier (and more fun) to you.

Even more stupid was the cops action after he had tazered the guy - He immediately insisted the guy to put hands behind his back. Right after that he tazered the guy again. There's no excuse to that kind of behaviour. Most people who get unexpectedly tazered are not going to do anything but lay on the ground for the next few seconds. This guy was clearly bewildered and didn't believe he'd be tazed just like that.

The guy didn't exactly behave as a model citizen, but neither did he do anything that would give the cop right to taze him. Especially for the second time.

He was shot in the back because he ignored several clear and concise orders a child could understand, that is resisting arrest and or delaying an officer.

Academy 101: The police have a duty not to retreat in the face of resistance, and are allowed to use that force necessary to effect the arrest. That "duty" gives the ofcr the 'right' to use force. End of story.

The ofcr doesn't know who this guy is, or why hes refusing to listen to simple instructions, could be just another average idiot, could be a violent felon... would you be willing to risk your safety and that of others to find out which one?

As far tasing him again, there is an "excuse" actually: "training". The taser is a pain compliance tool, once the darts are in, sometimes it takes a juicy reminder, or 2, of who is in charge... its standard. You notice dude started paying better attention and following instructions after being juiced.

"bewildered" is one way to put it, plain old stupid is another. The driver ignored every command until he got a jolt of motivation to start paying attention, thats what a taser is for... otherwise the lone officer would have to go hands on, or use an impact weapon... which would have been an escalation of force.

The police don't have to listen to, argue with, or debate you on the side of the road, you either do as your told, or receive further, often painful or embarrassing, motivation to do so..

If you don't like it that way, next time the lawmakers get together and pass a law like 148 PC- vote them out of office...

[Vad]

Of course, my subject of this thread was a little bit trolling, but...

Seems, tasers are becoming too popular among policemen in North America  nowdays. This nonlethal weapon was intended to use by police for stopping criminals without necessity to shoot them. But it becomes more and more popular to use it as a punishment - student in University few month ago, now this case. You know, in democratic country policeman doesn't have right to judge and punish.

BTW, looks like taser is not completely nonlethal, see  last case in Vancouver airport.

[john9001]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Academy 101: The police have a duty not to retreat in the face of resistance, and are allowed to use that force necessary to effect the arrest. That "duty" gives the ofcr the 'right' to use force. End of story.

The police don't have to listen to, argue with, or debate you on the side of the road, you either do as your told, or receive further, often painful or embarrassing, motivation to do so..

where is that part that says "serve and protect"?

[Shamus]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
He was shot in the back because he ignored several clear and concise orders a child could understand, that is resisting arrest and or delaying an officer.

Academy 101: The police have a duty not to retreat in the face of resistance, and are allowed to use that force necessary to effect the arrest. That "duty" gives the ofcr the 'right' to use force. End of story.

The ofcr doesn't know who this guy is, or why hes refusing to listen to simple instructions, could be just another average idiot, could be a violent felon... would you be willing to risk your safety and that of others to find out which one?

As far tasing him again, there is an "excuse" actually: "training". The taser is a pain compliance tool, once the darts are in, sometimes it takes a juicy reminder, or 2, of who is in charge... its standard. You notice dude started paying better attention and following instructions after being juiced.

"bewildered" is one way to put it, plain old stupid is another. The driver ignored every command until he got a jolt of motivation to start paying attention, thats what a taser is for... otherwise the lone officer would have to go hands on, or use an impact weapon... which would have been an escalation of force.

The police don't have to listen to, argue with, or debate you on the side of the road, you either do as your told, or receive further, often painful or embarrassing, motivation to do so..

If you don't like it that way, next time the lawmakers get together and pass a law like 148 PC- vote them out of office...

Or the officer could have, as the department spokesman pointed out, written "refused to sign" on the citation and that would have been the end of it. I think the vast majority of the leo's out there would have done just that.

shamus

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Vad
Of course, my subject of this thread was a little bit trolling, but...

Seems, tasers are becoming too popular among policemen in North America  nowdays. This nonlethal weapon was intended to use by police for stopping criminals without necessity to shoot them. But it becomes more and more popular to use it as a punishment - student in University few month ago, now this case. You know, in democratic country policeman doesn't have right to judge and punish.

BTW, looks like taser is not completely nonlethal, see  last case in Vancouver airport.

There are plans to arm Russian Militia with non-lethal weapons only. I think it's good, because a PM or AKSU-74 in the hands of our beloved Militia "warriors" are more dangerous then in the hands of criminals. When I see a "rubbish" with an AKSU in a Metro - I am almost scared to death, he can shred dozens of people because he probably doesn't understand what is a ricochet of a high-velocity bullet in a station full of people. Other accidents include a "warrior" trying to shoot a German Shepard tied to the fence, shooting 8 times, the dog survived. Or another idiot opening fire from his service PM at the car that blocked him at the traffic light, missing it and making 3 holes in cars passing the intersection...

Give them tazers - and they'll terrorize the population, guilty, suspects, just people passing by, tazering each other, so on...

[Speed55]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Simple and easy instructions for anyone smarter than a fern to follow, yet Jared decided ignoring the officer and walking away was prudent LMAO... thats called "felony stupid", the last thing you want to do is hand the officer justification to drop you in your tracks.

 

Exactly.. do what the cop says first, to difuse the situation, and show your not a threat.  Then you can argue all you want in court about the violation.  

Why would you put your hands in your pocket as you walk away from the cop????

Ever seen the videos where the trooper walks up to a suspect with his guard down, only to get shot in the face or chest?

I think the trooper was just protecting himself, because he didn't know what the other guy was up to.  It looks extreme,  but knowing that you could possibly be on the floor bleeding to death, and unable to even call for backup, i guess that's what happens.

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by Neubob
And the difference between a cop that behaves like this and a common dickless, brainless thug with a gun is what, exactly? They both make their money abusing and bullying the public... They both get a hard on from being able to act the way they do with near, or perceived impunity.

The biggest difference I can see is that criminals have more of a chance of getting in trouble, so they have to be smarter and more careful...Oh yeah, and they don't refer to themselves as 'units'.

I'd rather get mugged than have to give a molecule of respect and obedience to an idiot in uniform that would act this way.

Thankfully, I somehow doubt that too many cops actually approve of this type of ritualized abuse.

The difference is "the law", the police have it on their side, criminals don't... refuse to sign a ticket and go to jail the hard way, or the easy way.. that choice is up to the suspect. Although I think the guy in this video could write the dummies guide to being arrested.

The hard way includes, but not limited to, chemical aerosols, impact weapons, shod foot, PR-24s (PR = public relations), flashlights, tasers, hog-ties, K-9, various firearms, forced extraction via any available opening, and duct tape. For community relations reasons, its important to articulate to this info to the citizenry... with this understanding in mind, Joe citizen usually understands how signing the ticket would be beneficial to their health, pocket book and freedom.

Another difference, cops get to use their work related hard-ons outside of an intimate inmate setting...  as Borat would say "wah wah we wah, great success!"

[john9001]

GovtFlu, you don't work in public relations do you, you really put cops in a bad light with all your "rah rah me mucho cop BS".

i asked before, what happened to the "serve and protect"?