anyone watching the cesna land?

[moot]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Anybody know of a good TDF cycling sim?

As a matter of fact...

[AquaShrimp]

My dad had a great time in the Civil Air Patrol.  He said they were always getting called out to search for crashed general aviation aircraft.  He even got to fly WW2 surplus L-4s.  But he did tell me that general aviation aircraft do crash more often than one might think, and that he never found anyone alive.

[JBA]

Originally posted by Casca
How is the bicycle working out?

In 1999, there were 750 bicycling fatalities and 51,000 bicycling injuries resulting from traffic crashes in the United States. While these numbers continue to decrease from year to year, bicyclist fatalities still account for 2 percent of all traffic fatalities as well as 2 percent of all traffic injuries.
http://www.massbike.org/info/statistics.htm

There are 85 million bicycle riders in the US.

773 bicyclists died on US roads in 2006, down just 11 from the year before. 92% of them died in crashes with motor vehicles (720).


vs the small Plane:

In 2004, The NTSB investigated 1178 small-plane accidents that resulted in 440 fatalities. That’s an average of 98 accidents a month, with 36 deaths a month. The cause for the majority of these accidents fell under the category of “human error,” which means either pilot error or a mistake made by the mechanics or air traffic controllers.....

cause of the accidents was for one of the following reasons, each of which falls under the category of negligence:

• Pilot error – The most common reason for small plane accidents.

• Improper loading – This is what caused the crash of the Cessna 402B that was carrying the pop singer Aaliyah in September, 2001.

• Engine failures in all phases of flight

• In-flight icing

• In-flight instrument failures

• Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases

• Mid-air collisions

• Flight instructor error

• Negligent maintenance

• Air traffic control errors

• Defective onboard computers or software

• Fuel tank explosions

• Poorly maintained equipment




but I'm still not afraid to ride my bike that's for damn sure.....

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by JBA

cause of the accidents was for one of the following reasons, each of which falls under the category of negligence:

• Pilot error – The most common reason for small plane accidents.

• Improper loading – This is what caused the crash of the Cessna 402B that was carrying the pop singer Aaliyah in September, 2001. Read pilot Error - Holden

• Engine failures in all phases of flight Ran out of Gas? No Oil? Pilot error Holden

• In-flight icing Read pilot error...  I don't fly in bad weather.  Holden

• In-flight instrument failures Read Pilot error... IDFIBW Holden

• Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases This causes innumerable deaths each year.  Millions of deaths were caused by cancellation of homeowners insurance last year. - Holden

• Mid-air collisions Read pilot error  - Holden

• Flight instructor error Read pilot error - Holden

• Negligent maintenance

• Air traffic control errors

• Defective onboard computers or software

• Fuel tank explosions

• Poorly maintained equipment

[dynamt]

General Aviation has about the same accident record as motorcycles. Differance being that most GA accidents are avoidable. It's mostly pilot error.

I plan to avoid being a statistic myself. After 25 years as a pilot, so far, it's working.

[dynamt]

Originally posted by JBA


• Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases
 

HUh???

[Chairboy]

They deny the insurance coverage using a Stinger missile to deliver the bad news.

[Casca]

Originally posted by JBA
In 1999, there were 750 bicycling fatalities and 51,000 bicycling injuries resulting from traffic crashes in the United States. While these numbers continue to decrease from year to year, bicyclist fatalities still account for 2 percent of all traffic fatalities as well as 2 percent of all traffic injuries.
http://www.massbike.org/info/statistics.htm

There are 85 million bicycle riders in the US.

773 bicyclists died on US roads in 2006, down just 11 from the year before. 92% of them died in crashes with motor vehicles (720).


vs the small Plane:

In 2004, The NTSB investigated 1178 small-plane accidents that resulted in 440 fatalities. That’s an average of 98 accidents a month, with 36 deaths a month. The cause for the majority of these accidents fell under the category of “human error,” which means either pilot error or a mistake made by the mechanics or air traffic controllers.....

cause of the accidents was for one of the following reasons, each of which falls under the category of negligence:

• Pilot error – The most common reason for small plane accidents.

• Improper loading – This is what caused the crash of the Cessna 402B that was carrying the pop singer Aaliyah in September, 2001.

• Engine failures in all phases of flight

• In-flight icing

• In-flight instrument failures

• Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases

• Mid-air collisions

• Flight instructor error

• Negligent maintenance

• Air traffic control errors

• Defective onboard computers or software

• Fuel tank explosions

• Poorly maintained equipment




but I'm still not afraid to ride my bike that's for damn sure.....

You have performed a risk/benefit calculation and concluded that riding a bicycle is an acceptable risk.  You have performed another and concluded that riding in a general aviation aircraft is an unacceptable risk.  So far so good, pedal your way to happiness.  Risk/benefit calculations tend to be personal, some people skydive and others don't.  Labeling general aviation aircraft as "death traps" however just amused me.  You seem to be the type of person that thinks all general aviation aircraft are Pipercubs and I would not be surprised if you thought that Pipercub is just one word.

The accident rate in general aviation, while always worth trying to improve, is not one of the large problems facing the aviation community. A far bigger problem is that it is so easy to find eleven other people like you to sit on a jury adjudicating matters of liability.  Since you already know how dangerous this activity is, folks like yourself are putty in the hands of an enterprising plaintiff's attorney.  A common attitude to be sure but one that is destructive of an activity that some of us are interested in and, in some cases, affords us our livelihoods.