Biodiesel/Vegetable oil power

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by Blooz
Coal.

Thank god we have enough in the USA to last 200 years.  And I'll be dead by then!

[sluggish]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Is there any way thye can nail you on not paying taxes on regular diesel and using the highway system?  IE. Remember the singer that was charged for using his own vegetable oil in his vehicle, under the auspices of not paying fuel tax.

In Michigan, offroad desiel (for tractors and dozers and such) has a red dye in it.  If the DOT pulls you over in your rig and takes a fuel sample and your fuel is red, you are in a world of hurt.  Biofuels opens up a can of worms I'm sure the feds hadn't thought of years ago when the onroad/offroad fuel system was put together.  Give them a few years to think of a way to tax biofuel into not being worth the effort...

[Maverick]

If you are buying commercial grade biofuel, you are already paying taxes on it just like standard fuel.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by sluggish
In Michigan, offroad desiel (for tractors and dozers and such) has a red dye in it.  If the DOT pulls you over in your rig and takes a fuel sample and your fuel is red, you are in a world of hurt.  Biofuels opens up a can of worms I'm sure the feds hadn't thought of years ago when the onroad/offroad fuel system was put together.  Give them a few years to think of a way to tax biofuel into not being worth the effort...

That's why I add a gallon of bleach at 89 cents a gallon to every full tank!  No more red dye!

[Jackal1]

The biodiesel, ethanol rage is like trying to fight a wild fire with wash cloth.
All that is going to be accomplished is making things worse....for the consumer in this case.
The bait is out, the hook is sharpened and waiting to be set.
As soon as enough are onboard , commericaly made  prices for these fules will skyrocket to the same level, if not more, than is on fuel now.
The collecting of used cooking oil for free is on it`s last leg now. When there is a demand for something it stops being free shortly. It`s all about the money.
In the mean time we are already seeing the effect on prices of meat of any kind.
It will get worse. A lot worse.
The fire is spreading and it`s going to get hot as long as people are gullible enough to bite.

[cpxxx]

It's all academic anyway as soon as this technology matures:

Hydrogen car

[LePaul]

Originally posted by cpxxx
It's all academic anyway as soon as this technology matures:

Hydrogen car

That's impressive...but only for southern climates.  So far, anyways.

[john9001]

Honda's American R&D center is in California.

[Heater]

here you go,

here is a site  I found a year or so ago,  has a lot of info and a lot of the kits
starting from 20 Gal and up

http://www.ezbiodiesel.com/index.html

Cheers

[Bingolong]

Water is the most abundant resource on the planet besides air. Some day I believe you will just fill the car with water.

steve myers

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=IhSP8b1OBAg&eurl=http%3A//www.water4gas.com/2books.htm%3Fhop%3Dsfnet11%26gclid%3Dci6btstsjjacfsabyqodslm7rw&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/IhSP8b1OBAg/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKLVI2oSFOO2zbHcO1xZ9E3&rel=1&border=0

http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=sfnet11&gclid=ci6btstsjjacfsabyqodslm7rw

Has anyone tried this?

[Maverick]

Water is the most abundant resource on the planet. That does not mean it is distributed in a manner that makes it a viable source of energy. The use of fresh water to create hydrogen will simply exacerbate the water shortage already in place in many parts of the country. Taking the equivalent amount of fresh water out of the ground / rivers that we use in petro fuel will be a singular disaster ecologically. How much hydrogen will it take to replace a barrel of oil then multiply that by the number of barrels of oil being used for transportation alone, much less the other uses for it.  Take the amount of water you'd have to break down for that and what will you drink?

There also would be a significant problem in transporting sufficient hydrogen from the coastal areas to the interior to take the place of the equivalent amount of petro fuel energy.

Hydrogen also will not provide enough energy to provide the electricity to produce it and fuel vehicular traffic at the same time to eliminate the use of fossil fuels in production of electricity.

[Bingolong]

While I was looking around for water fuel's I found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

Water is the most abundant source.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Bingolong
While I was looking around for water fuel's I found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

Water is the most abundant source.

The problem is efficiency.  Sure, hydrogen and salt water seem like cool sources.  But then you realize that you need to SPEND more energy to get the energy, then what they give off.


I don't think there will be any replacement for gasoline and oil until we find some sort of super Star Trek like energy.

[john9001]

i refer you back to this. If you read far enough, you will see Honda is not only working on improved fuel cells they are also working on improved photovoltaic cells to produce hydrogen from water.. Never underestimate technology.

Originally posted by cpxxx
It's all academic anyway as soon as this technology matures:

Hydrogen car

[1K3]

Honda better come up with something more revolutionary than VTEC:aok