Author Topic: Where were the sane licensed carrying gun owners in all this? (Read 7473 times)

Tigeress · « **Reply #15 on:** December 06, 2007, 11:44:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Phaser11
That is a hard question.
I do have a carry permit and would I have fired? It really depends on the situation. There is a fine line between self defense and taking the law into your own hands. If I was with my family or buy my self when that started happening in front of me, yes I would shoot in a heart beat, but If there was a clean way out for my family then I would take it and get them out.
A permit to carry a gun is just that. It is not a badge nor does it mean that a person carrying a gun “has” to get involved in gun fights. Does it happen, yes we do read about it when a person shoots another somewhere to save the lives of others, but understand this is still a very grey area in many states.

Some questions you might ask your self if you think this might happen and you have a gun.

If I shoot this person, am I going to shoot someone else? I saved the day by killing the shooter, but one of my rounds kill a 6month old baby behind him that I did not see. Can I live knowing that I killed a child?

Whenever you use a gun in self defense you will have to answer for it. It might be clear as to what happened and the local DA will not file charges. The again, if you stay and shoot the person, one of the question you will be asked and have to show (usually at the seine) how were YOU threatened/ Did YOU have a way out? Why did YOU take the law into your own hands?

If you start shooting, will others think you are part of the problem? Will you get shot by the other good person trying to stop the shooter?

Can you live with your self if you duck and run and many others are killed?

This is really not a question you can ask where there is a simple answer. It will be different for everyone you talk to. Most will say, I’ll shoot the guy”. Well they just might, but no plan works out the way you think when the lead is flying.

All you can really do is keep practicing with your gun, Think up shooting scenarios could happen at the places you frequent. Be aware of your surroundings at all times. Keep an eye on the quickest way out. Keep an eye on you family. Also it is very important that you are also a good witness for law enforcement. What were they wearing, color hair, close and stuff like that.

For me, I shoot with my carry about once a month. I pay extra for “frangible” ammunition that when it strikes something hard it breaks up into a fine power to help prevent ricochets.

This is not a perfect answer, because there is none. Everyone will respond as to there own abilities.

Hi Phaser,

Very very thought provoking post.

If a legally carrying gun owner failed to respond to a mass murder spree in progress with deadly force would he/she be culpable for loss of life in the event of non-action, in the eyes of the law?

Thank you,

TIGERESS

FBBone · « **Reply #16 on:** December 06, 2007, 11:46:23 AM »

I guess going the other direction with this my question is where were the cops during all this? Aren't they there to protect citizens? No private citizen with a CCW should have been necessary.

Curval · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2007, 11:48:17 AM »

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Tigeress · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2007, 11:51:45 AM »

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Originally posted by FBBone
I guess going the other direction with this my question is where were the cops during all this? Aren't they there to protect citizens? No private citizen with a CCW should have been necessary.

Hi FBBone,

That is another good question, in my view. Terrorists have already claimed malls as a soft target of choice. Where the hell is the armed protection?

Sorry, an unarmed walkie-talkie convo with other unarmed walkie-talkie people is not immediate protection from a rampaging serial killer in a mall.

TIGERESS

PS: Someday you'll simply must tell me the basis of your callsign, dear!

acfireguy26 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:03:49 PM »

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Maverick · « **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:04:43 PM »

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Originally posted by FBBone
I guess going the other direction with this my question is where were the cops during all this? Aren't they there to protect citizens? No private citizen with a CCW should have been necessary.

How may Police do you think there are? There isn't enough manpower to put one on every corner and in front of every store just in case something might happen.

APDrone · « **Reply #21 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:07:16 PM »

Nebraska does have a concealed gun permit.. or whatever they're called. Something they passed in the last year. I only know about it because a sign suddenly showed up at my workplace that said firearms weren't permitted.

And, the mall does specify that firearms are not permitted... when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns type of thing, I guess.

The weapon was an SKS - whatever that is, that was stolen from his step-dad. According to the news, anyway.

IMHO, even if the mall allowed firearms, I kinda doubt that the store in question ( Von Maur ) would be catering to those that would feel the need to carry weapons.

I haven't seen a list of victims yet, but the closest I am to them, so far, is one lady was the mother of a child in my bell-choir director's husband's middle school class.

Omaha is shocked by this event.

Phaser11 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:18:24 PM »

Hi Phaser,

Very very thought provoking post.

If a legally carrying gun owner failed to respond to a mass murder spree in progress with deadly force would he/she be culpable for loss of life in the event of non-action, in the eyes of the law?

Thank you,

TIGERESS

No,
I have never heard of that. We pay law enforcement to do that, but they cannot be all places at all times to protect you. That is one of the reason many people do carry.

JB88 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:22:29 PM »

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Originally posted by APDrone
Nebraska does have a concealed gun permit.. or whatever they're called. Something they passed in the last year. I only know about it because a sign suddenly showed up at my workplace that said firearms weren't permitted.

And, the mall does specify that firearms are not permitted... when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns type of thing, I guess.

The weapon was an SKS - whatever that is, that was stolen from his step-dad. According to the news, anyway.

IMHO, even if the mall allowed firearms, I kinda doubt that the store in question ( Von Maur ) would be catering to those that would feel the need to carry weapons.

I haven't seen a list of victims yet, but the closest I am to them, so far, is one lady was the mother of a child in my bell-choir director's husband's middle school class.

Omaha is shocked by this event.

hey elkhorn.

156th and pacific here. (millard) (or was at one point)

terribly sorry to hear about all of this. just terrible.

APDrone · « **Reply #24 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:30:16 PM »

Heya JB88,

Yeah, I saw by another post Omaha is your home-town.

First house we had was at 168th and Pacific ( Rose Garden ) '89 - '96.

Guess we were neighbors.

Next time you come home, be sure to check out Texas Roadhouse, right down your street. Awesome food.

Take care,

john9001 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:31:47 PM »

i carry a gun to protect myself.

i don't carry a gun to protect strangers, they will have to wait for SWAT to get there.

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the media said earlier that it was a AK-47, but to the media all rifles are the dreaded AK-47 assault rifles..

Halo · « **Reply #26 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:47:29 PM »

(quote) the mall is probably a "safe, gun free zone", so you won't need a gun there, after all, there is mall security to protect you. (unquote)

Our unarmed cell-phone totin' "security" guards can run over shooters with their new Segways.

Tigeress · « **Reply #27 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:52:18 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
i carry a gun to protect myself.

i don't carry a gun to protect strangers, they will have to wait for SWAT to get there.

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the media said earlier that it was a AK-47, but to the media all rifles are the dreaded AK-47 assault rifles..

Would you not feel a moral obligation to prevent death of innocent women and children in the event you were armed and observing a maniac like this slaughtering us?

Had I been in that malled armed I would have been compelled to unload as many clips as I had into this nut job and let the non-present armed police sort it out later when they finally got there.

Easy to say, I know, but I feel that very strongly. I am sure I would have shot him where he stood and never to loose a single moments sleep over doing so... The F&*$@ing Bastard.

TIGERESS

JB88 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:56:06 PM »

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Originally posted by APDrone
Heya JB88,

Yeah, I saw by another post Omaha is your home-town.

First house we had was at 168th and Pacific ( Rose Garden ) '89 - '96.

Guess we were neighbors.

Next time you come home, be sure to check out Texas Roadhouse, right down your street. Awesome food.

Take care,

i know exactly where that is. a good buddy of mine used to live there.

shall do!

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #29 on:** December 06, 2007, 01:02:24 PM »

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