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Offline yankedudel

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« on: December 07, 2007, 02:21:30 PM »
Any opinions?  My father and I are going to start fighting in the DA at an agreed upon altitude head on and I was wondering which aircraft would give me the biggest advantage climbing to altitude to try and reverse on him.
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 02:27:29 PM »
You will want to climb first, level to build speed, then go head-to-head, so the climb speed doesn't really matter too much in this case.


However, just to name a few of the best climbers in the game, there's the spit8/16/14, the 109 g2/k4, the c205 matches the 109g2 for climb, the ki84 isn't bad, the f4u4, and if you want to try something wacky, let's not forget the Me163.

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 02:44:44 PM »
yanke,

If you're meeting head to head at an agreed upon altitude for a co-alt merge, standard climb isn't what you're looking for. If you want good climbing performance in combat the zoom is much more important.

Case in point: In a straight climb the Spitfire Mk. XVI will out-climb all marks of the F4U. However because of their greater mass and, as a result, E-retention, the Hogs can, will and DO lose the Spixteen in the zoom assuming equivilant starting E-states. The Spit will catch up in an extended climb, but by then the F4U would have sufficient seperation to begin its next move.

Heavier fighters like the Corsairs, P-38s, F6F, and P-47s are all exceptional in the zoom, and can lose even superior straight climbers in the vertical if they have enough starting energy.

Where straight climb is most important is if your goal is to gain a STARTING altitude advantage before the initial merge.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 02:56:19 PM »
I guess I needed to clarify that.  We are going to climb to a predetermined alt. then when we are both their merge head to head so no one starts with the advantage.  What I am trying to do is go vertical after we pass, hope he doesnt see me and have the advantage when I am above him and he is looking for me so I can get a shot at him.  I am a "NOOB" so I dont have all of the terminology down.  I guess the best example would be an F4 phantom vs. Mig 17/19.  No way the F4 could outturn the MIG so it would use its superior power to get into the vertical..............
I think I just answered my own question...I just need to use my E to my advantage....just thinking out loud.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 03:21:10 PM »
Most DA's are done using the same plane as well as the same alt.  No always, but normally.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 04:54:28 PM »
Yank,

Hook up with some of the trainers in the training arena. They'll show you more than just how to get above your opponent. With their help you'll be beating your dads butt in no time.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 06:44:35 PM »
I will definetly get over there as soon as the stick and throttle show up.  Right now I am a mouse and keyboard guy and stick with the offline practice to stay out of everyone's way, try to learn the keyboard commands and learn the charachteristics of the aircraft.  Cant wait to get started though.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 08:59:09 PM »
if u wanna fly more maneuverable planes, u can always use planes like the La-7 (personal fav) but remember to cut your throttle when you are turning
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 10:43:15 PM »
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but remember to cut your throttle when you are turning


Now, why would you do that?

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2007, 02:34:32 AM »
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Any opinions?  My father and I are going to start fighting in the DA at an agreed upon altitude head on and I was wondering which aircraft would give me the biggest advantage climbing to altitude to try and reverse on him.


best climber I do believe to be the p-38, although if your looking for a co-alt fight, only thing it's gonna be good for in climbing is if you want to rope 'em (Not saying p38 isn't good, i love the plane) but if you want to BnZ in the DA, don't even go there mate...
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2007, 02:35:50 AM »
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Now, why would you do that?

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Cutting airspeed to increase your turn rate perchance?

Idea is the slower you go, the less forward momentum you'll have meaning you'll be able to break to either X axis faster and get a better turn rate.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 02:54:38 AM »
Then the other guy maintains his throttle loops over your head.   The guy who chopped his throttle   is  in slow motion begging for forgiveness underneath.


Rudder turn at the right moment.   His nose drops just as you reach 400 down.   Good night comrade!


Theres throttle work and then there are throttle choppers.   Choppers = bad.

the angel guy was talking  LA7's also.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2007, 04:05:19 AM »
Basically what sax said, zoom after the initial merge is more important than climb rate. Climb rate will give you a continual vertical advantage, but if you win the vert off the merge, that doesn't mean much anyway.

Your F4 and MiG comparison is right, however you're missing the fact that the F4 both zoomed and climbed better than the MiGs it went up against. In this game, you'll get a lot of matchups where zoom does not necessarily equate to better climb, and vice versa. It really depends on your fighting style, but for the purposes of what you are looking for I would recommend a 38. Good zoom potential, good climb, and great ability to hang in the vert at low IAS. Good luck.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 10:51:25 AM »
Try a 109G-2
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 12:32:26 AM »
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Now, why would you do that?

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Thats what i'm saying Widewing. People and they're myths.

Generally maintain airspeed at all times.

Ever seen jets doing hard turns at an airshow? Ever seen them not with the afterburner on when doing that? They'd fall out the air due to E loss.

For God's sake listen to Bruv.