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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2007, 03:02:09 PM »
curval.. read the sites charon linked.. I was gonna link the NRA armed citizen site but.. despite the fact no one has ever proved the NRA liars... you don't trust em.

Makes for facinating reading.. You can also see how the facts on who is killing who are distorted..  about a third of those incidents could be said to be..  a family member or someone known to the family being killed by a gun...  truth is yeah.. they were "family" or known but they still needed to be stopped.

the left would make it sound like having a gun endangered your family or friends instead of real bad guys when the truth is... these "family and friends" were the bad guys.

Just like their stats on "children"  a 17 year old gangbanger with a yard long record is a "child" to them and "killed by someone he knew" is.. a rival gang member or rival drug dealer.

But.. you have followed the shootings at the church..  how much positive stuff have you heard about the brave woman who killed the shooter?  Why isn't she on every morning show and news broadcast and being touted as the biggest hero of the year?   Probly saved dozens of lives.

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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2007, 03:04:54 PM »
"I don't know the specific statistics on school shootings, how that breaks down relative to other nutter shootings etc. I don't think there are formal statistics."

*ching*

Actually there are....according to lazs.  I quote "In fully on quarter of school shootings a civilian with a gun stopped the shooter before police arrived.. why didn't you know that?"

Seems pretty specific to me...other than missing an "e" off of "on".

But Charon, honestly, no need to hit me with a wall of text.  I'm not the one that needs to be convinced.  I have no say in what happens in your country.

I'd say you and lazs are waaaaaay better off going onto the anti-gun blogs etc and "have at them".  99.9% of people here are fully and utterly on your side in any gun debate.  

Lazs seems to enjoy getting everyone here all worked up and getting his ego stroked.  I can't see any other reason to keep posting these threads.  If he wants an argument he can find one easily on the thousands of intardnet sites that disagree with him.  Posting on one that completely agrees with him seems pointless to me.

Or is it all for my benefit?  I doubt that very much.
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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2007, 03:53:43 PM »
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I'd say you and lazs are waaaaaay better off going onto the anti-gun blogs etc and "have at them". 99.9% of people here are fully and utterly on your side in any gun debate.


Actually, the anti-gun blogs tend to preach to the choir and restrict, in many case, polite discussion if it becomes to uncomfortable. Some play around on the Huffington Post, etc. or Brady.org but that's not an interest of mine.

Sites like the Democratic Underground and The Daily Cos actually, and perhaps surprisingly for Lazs, have at lest 50 percent support, if not better, among their posters. These are posters who identify themselves as progressive to some extent and regularly post on other issues.

For my part I concentrate on letters to the editor, reply posts to articles when offered online and being part of the network that identifies anti propaganda for rebuttal. I also call legislators, like the 3 Cook County Commissioners I called today over the proposal to fully ban all handguns and register all rifles in the county (including those sacred hunting rifles) and that includes such language as this: Any weapon that the President, the Board, or the Sheriff defines by regulation as an assault weapon because the design or operation of such weapon is inappropriate for lawful use.

I also sent a friendly Tribune columnist (of of a very few) a notice as to what is going on at the county to see if he has any interest in writing about it.

AH is just practice :)

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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2007, 03:56:00 PM »
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But.. you have followed the shootings at the church..  how much positive stuff have you heard about the brave woman who killed the shooter?  Why isn't she on every morning show and news broadcast and being touted as the biggest hero of the year?   Probly saved dozens of lives.

lazs


She was on Fox News. Any of you Clinton News Network watchers see/hear from her there?
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2007, 04:00:37 PM »
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Any weapon that the President, the Board, or the Sheriff defines by regulation as an assault weapon because the design or operation of such weapon is inappropriate for lawful use.

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but is it ok to use such weapons for unlawful use, thats what the criminals want to know. Because we know the criminals would not want to use a unapproved weapon.

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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2007, 05:39:30 PM »
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How has the media handled school shootings and other mass shootings by whackjobs?

We live in a nation of fame starved.. everyone wants to be famous.. their 15 minutes..  we are a nation of fad followers and parrots and idiot tv show watchers with empty headed big hair anchors with soothing voices and the ability to look happy or pained on cue.  

When asked.. 76% of those involved in the media say that they lean left socialist.

when their is one of these shootings.. they tend to focus first.. on the suffering of the victims.. even if they were not even victims.. then.. the suffering of the poor guy (and his life story) who did the shooting... just what he wanted.

In fully on quarter of school shootings a civilian with a gun stopped the shooter before police arrived..  why didn't you know that?

In this one... at the co. church.. the first reports never even mentioned the woman with a concealed weapon who killed the guy.. latter.. they said that the guy wasn't really killed by her... he committed suicide.

They are now talking about how mean she was at her last job..  It is crazy.

Wouldn't you think that being a nation of fad followers.. that it would be better (and more newsworthy) to focus on how a tiny little woman with a gun stopped the big bad angry man from his cowardly mission to kill?   instead of making him some dark avenger?

Wouldn't it be better if people imitated her instead of him?   Shouldn't he be ignored in the news and her praised and made into a national hero?

Wouldn't how she stopped him be a lot more interesting (in a nation of action flicks) than what kind of underwear and music they found at the dark avengers home in his moms basement?

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« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2007, 05:35:22 AM »
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Actually, the anti-gun blogs tend to preach to the choir and restrict, in many case, polite discussion if it becomes to uncomfortable.  


LOL

Wow man, that sounds familiar.
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« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2007, 06:21:01 AM »
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Lazs,

People on the left and right are getting railroaded by a biased media, imv.
It is a bi-partisan problem, I think.

I haven't seen the righty media doing any less than the lefty media with regards to all this. They both spin against the real facts and hide facts from public viewing on cable TV.

Instead of being the unbiased government watchdog for the country they appear to be partisan and government pawns.

I agree with you that media not reporting relevant news and news twisting needs to stop.

If the sum, or near total sum, of mainstream American TV Media is in bed with both political parties (depending on the channel) and the government, and I believe it is, it needs to stop.

There are A LOT of things that go unreported.

When was the last time you saw a cable news piece on the rampant inflation that is racking the country?[i/]

I remember when the inflation index at any given point in time was on everyone's lips and that was before cable TV.

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What's ironic about this woman and her co-defender and their mutual takedown of this maniac is... it can't be spun away and shoved under a carpet.

BTW, it is reported she got fired from the police force for lying about chewing out a bus driver.

I was excited when FOX NEWS came on line to set the left Media on it heels... now FOX is as bad, imv, just in a different direction, and not for the better.


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   1..What inflation--take away gas price fluctuation, there is little....(mebbe 3-3.5% this year)I remember at the end of the Carter administration....was double-digit...now THERE's news....As far as right-wing news/Fox (There ARE'NT any other outlets, unless you count talk radio, and they are  professed opinion givers, unlike MSNBC) .... For the ZILLIONth time, I see a post that says Fox is just as bad or worse....but I never see an example (the NEWS, mind you, not Hannity, et al)
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« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2007, 08:00:46 AM »
curval..  why do you post to every gun thread on this board?  I welcome you but.. It seems odd.    I know you aren't doing it just to give me the opportunity to beat you up.

gun threads here run to two basic types..  the political which is just what is happening in the country.. I mean.. how do you discuss the SC decision to hear on the second or school shootings without mentioning guns?

And.. the "what is best"  FYI stuff.. "got a new gun" "what is best for a first gun?"  Which is better revolver or semi auto?"  "is the 9 mm really a girls gun?"
type of thing.   I can't see how you would not just ignore those ones.

Just like...  I ignore all the sports ones.   I don't care about sports.   Sure, they are all drug addicts and crybabies watching them probly causes the breakup of families and world hunger and maybe... global warming but... not interested and none of my business if other watch sports.

sheesh.. calm down and start a "what is the best type of shorts for golf" thread.

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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2007, 08:18:25 AM »
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curval..  why do you post to every gun thread on this board?  lazs


OK, this made me laugh.

Lazs, you not only post in every gun thread, you tend to make all threads gun threads.

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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2007, 08:31:05 AM »
ah... but it is not funny to you when curval.. who knows nothing about guns except what he "feels" posts to every single gun thread?

Like I said... there are threads I don't go into.  sports.. cooking...  the way some new car looks.. I just think it is funny that he posts to threads about guns.. of which he hates and knows nothing about.

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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2007, 08:44:21 AM »
OK, you're both funny.

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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2007, 08:52:26 AM »
good... thanks.  



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« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2007, 09:03:17 AM »
lol

Do a search on gun threads lazs.

You will see that I do NOT post in every gun thread at all, no where near.

It seems to be a habit with you of distorting facts...very media-like.  ;)

Do the search...
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« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2007, 09:09:40 AM »
how do you do a search on every thread that is about guns?    Are you saying that you don't post to em?   do a search for sports and see how many I post to.

There are a lot of threads with guns in em..   I am exaggerating when I say you post to every single one of em... some get by you.    I BET that if we did a search and tallied up the results you would be posting to 50% of em..   with one hell of a lot of gun threads on this board..

That is still a whole lot of posting to threads you have no interest in and don't know anything about.

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