What if...

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Thruster
I can see the product of such an effort would be the most confusing and nebulous document ever created. It would make our tax code seem like an elementary school primer.

The B.o.R. as well as the other output of our early Congress was a product of men who were by and large cut from similar cloth. They had a consistent view on faith, duty and the effects of man's governance of his fellows.

Not so today. Our society is so different from the one that created those principles that I bet they wouldn't even agree on what language it should be written in.

Our Founding Fathers would puke if they were aware of what we as a nation have allowed to happen to the documents they labored so earnestly to draft.

And they would be right. We should have protected our Bill of Rights and Constitution as they were written. Granted I'm not the expert on the history of The Constitution that I would like to be but I can't think of one amendment that has proven to be a benefit for America, I'm probably wrong but at the moment I'm at a loss.

I think the 19th amandment was just and necessary. hahahahaha

Watch what happens to the US Constitution when the President declares Martial law as a result of an "event."

I believe it is coming and we are getting set up for it now.

Be prepared to loose the Constitution when it happens.

Though only a citizen, I studied the Constitution and its creation and in my view the framers were remarkable futurists.

No one could predict certian things like high technology but human nature doesn't change and that was a problem then as it is now with respect to greed, power, and control of the nation.

TIGERESS

[crockett]

Originally posted by Tigeress
What if... a limited head count (50 of the most powerful) bipartisan effort by today's left and right political party heavyweight politicians were to draw up, behind closed doors, a binding and brand new US Constitution that would replace the old one and its present amendments?

What do you think it would say?  …or, not say?

TIGERESS

I'd say no. There is nothing wrong with the Constitution we have.. It just needs to be followed.

[Stang]

Heh, Franklin's in my family tree as a distant cousin.  

No, I'm not related to laser.  Impossible.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Stang
Heh, Franklin's in my family tree as a distant cousin.  

No, I'm not related to laser.  Impossible.

ahhh-hahahahahaha

Stang? Laser; Laser? Stang. Shake hands; add each other to your respective xmas lists and don't date each other's sisters. lol

TIGERESS

[john9001]

we don't need a new constitution, we need a govt that will follow the one we have now.

[Thruster]

"I think the 19th amendment was just and necessary."

I'm sure you do, and you should, no matter how misguided that notion may be.

I'm in favor of limiting voting privileges, not providing a voice to anyone with an opinion. Actually, I'm coming to believe that elections are the worst thing we could participate in if we want a government that truly represents the interests of the body politic. I wonder if a lottery isn't a better solution. With 18th century values placed upon eligibility criteria.

Just remember, the nation was reeling with the shock of the 18th amendment when the 19th got snuck through. We probably should have repealed or reversed any legislation passed during those terrible years.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by john9001
we don't need a new constitution, we need a govt that will follow the one we have now.

http://newswithviews.com/loeffler/loeffler20.htm

What affect do you think the proposed North American Union will have on the US Constitution if the NAU goes through?

TIGERESS

[AWMac]

Originally posted by Stang
Heh, Franklin's in my family tree as a distant cousin.  

No, I'm not related to laser.  Impossible.

Stangs wife woke in the early morning to see Stang running from one edge of the backyard to the next trying unsuccessfully to fly a KITE ...She yell out the kitchen window "You need more tail....."

Stang stopped, dropped the KITE string and replied...
"Woman can you please make up your mind? I tried to get some last night and you told me to go fly a KITE....

Yep I see the Ben Franklin connection here....or at least near the tree.



Mac

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Thruster
"I think the 19th amendment was just and necessary."

I'm sure you do, and you should, no matter how misguided that notion may be.

I'm in favor of limiting voting privileges, not providing a voice to anyone with an opinion. Actually, I'm coming to believe that elections are the worst thing we could participate in if we want a government that truly represents the interests of the body politic. I wonder if a lottery isn't a better solution. With 18th century values placed upon eligibility criteria.

Just remember, the nation was reeling with the shock of the 18th amendment when the 19th got snuck through. We probably should have repealed or reversed any legislation passed during those terrible years.

Probably so dear hahahaha

But then, you great-grandfather would have probably been cut off permanently had his generation failed to deliver the vote and where would that have left you?

No, I am not biting... say whatever you wish on topic.

TIGERESS

[Jackal1]

This has been done here once before....................... ............................. ........
..........It would simply read "Bend over and grab your ankles".

[Thruster]

Tigress, I wish I could answer you but I am not sure what the question was. Just so you know I wasn't really trying to make this a gender issue. I really don't believe in universal suffrage, It has not paid the social dividend that was promised.

The point I was endeavoring to make was that the fundamental charter this country enabled has proven to be supernaturally efficient. It's when we make changes to it's design to accommodate fleeting pragmatic concerns that we dilute the elegance of the original blue print.

[Tigeress]

No problem, Thruster. I understand your meaning now.

TIGERESS

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Tigeress
What if... a limited head count (50 of the most powerful) bipartisan effort by today's left and right political party heavyweight politicians were to draw up, behind closed doors, a binding and brand new US Constitution that would replace the old one and its present amendments?

What do you think it would say?  …or, not say?

TIGERESS

Steve said it best.

Our constitution is only an aging piece of paper with old ink on it, If We The People do not abide by it.

The laws and codes of the land, are only good to the extent that people live by them. Corruption is the downfall of any governmental system, Whether it is Capitalist, Monarchist, Socialist, Communist, Democracy, etc.

One problem we have in this country, is that people seem to be willing to live on the laurels of the Founding Fathers. Yes, they took a brave, bold experiment in government, and made it work. They built a great nation with their blood, sweat, and tears. And in this age, it will be destroyed, the same way that Rome was, by the neglect of succeeding generations, and the preference for the fond memories of yesteryear, rather than confronting the grim realities of today and tomorrow.

Not so today. Our society is so different from the one that created those principles that I bet they wouldn't even agree on what language it should be written in.

This quote by Thruster is probably the truest in the whole thread. We ceased being "one nation, under god, indivisible" Long ago. Now, we are the biggest collection of special interest groups' on the planet. How many nations' have allowed a foreign language to supplant the native tongue of their founders, in the span of the same National Identity(I.E. From the time the Constitution, to now?) We are one of the few.

The sad thing is, someday we will have some kind of great upheaval, or civil strife, or what have you. And the U.S. Constitution, which if followed as originally intended, would still be better than any other on the planet, will be discarded. I myself, shiver at the thought of it's replacement.

[moot]

**** that.  There'll be constitutionalists to secede from whatever abortion of a country wants to flush the Constitution, and to continue in its groove like anyone with Good sense would and already does.

[Holden McGroin]

Scrapping the present constitution is not the idea.

Adding one or a few amendments... yeah.

Amendment XXVII

Members of congress shall not be allowed in the National Capital more than 10 days each calendar year.  Voting will take place remotely, using whatever secure real time communication that technology avails. Each Congress member's office in their home districts will be considered the floor of the Congress for voting purposes.  No other locale shall be considered valid for voting purposes.

Amendment XXVIII

No bill passed or considered by Congress shall have more than one subject.

Amendment XXIX

Congressional terms will be limited to 12 years.