More on the Church shooting

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
Sorry - there seems to be so many shootings going on these days, it's easy to confuse one with another.

So... the problem is that even though people are free to carry a weapon when they go shopping, most don't, and then a whackjob with an assault rifle takes advantage of the situation because he wants to "go out in style". Hmmmm... we need to do more to convince ordinary folk of the importance of taking a gun when they go shopping. I wonder why so many don't.  

You won't get me arguing that there aren't more nutbags today than 50 years ago. Why do you think that is?

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by AKIron
You won't get me arguing that there aren't more nutbags today than 50 years ago. Why do you think that is?

- because you can't be bothered to argue?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
- because you can't be bothered to argue?

Or, because there are a lot more nutbugs today than 50 years ago. Availability of guns have less than nothing to do with that.

I did find your reply amusing.

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by AKIron
Or, because there are a lot more nutbugs today than 50 years ago. Availability of guns have less than nothing to do with that.

Agreed, but then why can't more ordinary citizens be persuaded to carry a .45 or equivalent, every time they drive down to the shops to pick up a few groceries? Surely the NRA and Armed Citizen articles make a compelling case, so why isn't it happening?

[AKIron]

I suspect it is happening. Wackos going off the deep end is still relatively rare though making the chance of them encountering an armed civilian not likely. Statistically though the odds just went way up with this church shooting.

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by AKIron
Wackos going off the deep end is still relatively rare  

Relative to what - other countries? Doubtful. Hardly a day goes by without some shooting or other. You mentioned church shootings in the plural. Then we've had all the school shootings - Columbine, VA Tech, Wisconsin, then that event just recently at Las Vegas. Plus the Neb Mall shooting of course.

Who wants to have to worry about what gun to take when they go shopping... It's kinda sad when it comes to that

[AKIron]

Relative to not encountering a wacko going off the deep end. I've never seen one, have you?

I have a concealed carry license but usually don't carry. Still, carrying a gun is not a huge burden nor would I ever feel "sad" about doing so. I don't feel sad about wearing a seat belt because someone is much more likely to run into me than shoot me either.

[john9001]

not everyone wants to carry a gun, not everyone has the ability to use a gun, not everyone would have the mental attitude to use the gun even to protect their own life, they want/expect/hope someone else will protect them.

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by AKIron
Relative to not encountering a wacko going off the deep end. I've never seen one, have you?

As a matter of fact, yes I have - San Francisco Feb 1982 near the Embarcadero Center. I was trying to get to the train station but it was cordoned off with about 100 police cars. Usual story - nutjob shot a few people and then killed himself. Obviously I didn't see the gunman else I would not be here now!

not everyone wants to carry a gun, not everyone has the ability to use a gun, not everyone would have the mental attitude to use the gun even to protect their own life

 - and this is where the whole thesis of expecting ordinary citizens to arm themselves against a dangerous gunman falls apart. Heck even trained police officers come off worse in many of these confrontations.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
  - and this is where the whole thesis of expecting ordinary citizens to arm themselves against a dangerous gunman falls apart. Heck even trained police officers come off worse in many of these confrontations.

Of course most of these dangerous gunmen are ordinary citizens with a serious chip on their shoulder. If I came face to face with one I'd rather be armed than not, you?

[john9001]

Louis, i don't care what other people do , i carry a gun for my protection.

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by AKIron
Of course most of these dangerous gunmen are ordinary citizens with a serious chip on their shoulder. If I came face to face with one I'd rather be armed than not, you?

You said yourself that these wacko incidents are "relatively rare". But I've seen one (was within 150 yards of the bldg where it happened) but you say you never have. I don't carry a gun btw. I don't care what John9001 does.

[AKIron]

It's true, the last time I was within 5 miles of anyone being murdered was when JFK was shot. That these things happen probably on average less than once per year makes them rare I think. I carry a gun in my car occasionally but don't have one small enough to carry on my person. I aim to remedy that soon.

[wrag]

Here is a little more news on the person that is reported as doing the shooting.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59203

Alister Crowley is listed as one of his???????

Hearing voices?

Many Rock musicians hear voices?

Interesting.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by AKIron
It's true, the last time I was within 5 miles of anyone being murdered was when JFK was shot. That these things happen probably on average less than once per year makes them rare I think. I carry a gun in my car occasionally but don't have one small enough to carry on my person. I aim to remedy that soon.

Small?  What are you, some sort of girly man?