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Offline wrag

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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2007, 06:56:37 PM »
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I can't understand how this or shootings like the Nebraska shopping mall can possibly occur. After all, we have the 2nd amendment, which is supposed to allow us to tool up and be able to thwart the actions of these evil gunmen. So why isn't it happening?


Several of these shootings have happened in so called GUN FREE ZONES!

This means the common person is NOT permitted to carry a firearm anywhere within the area.  (That mall you refer to was such a place.)

This Church however was NOT a GFZ.  The Pastor, when informed of the situation, encouraged people to arm themselves.
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2007, 11:30:41 PM »
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Small?  What are you, some sort of girly man?


I only own two handguns, a beretta 92fs and a glock 21. Both are too large for me to properly conceal.
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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2007, 11:39:21 PM »
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I only own two handguns, a beretta 92fs and a glock 21. Both are too large for me to properly conceal.


Get a HIGH quality concealment rig. It makes a huge difference. It won't make a big 44 Magnum disappear on a small woman, but the right rig can hide a full size weapon on the average male frame, provided you're wearing clothes.
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2007, 10:05:20 AM »
louis.. I think you are missing the point..   and it is a big one.  The mall was a "gun free zone"   the church was not.. in the mall.. the sheeple ran screaming and dying until the cops showed up and chalked the outline of their bodies in the blood pools.

In the church... people with concealed carry took the shooter out right away and saved dozens or more lives... probly more that have been killed by these nutjobs all year were saved in one incident.  

I ask you..  when your are barricaded in your art class with a bunch of people.. listening to a shooter kicking in doors and shooting the sheeple hiding under their desks...  do you want to be in the room with the board of directors who passed the "gun free zone" law or... some concealed carry guy with a .45?

Shoot more of the nuts and the fad will die.   sorta like skyjacking.   We are a nation of fads and 15 minutes of fame.. some will debase themselves on "reality shows" to get that fame and some..  will shoot sheeple in a murder suicide thing.. they know the more they kill.. the more that they will be lionized and talked about in the media... if they get shot after only killing one or two...

Well.. that just takes the fun right out of it.

If everyone in the USA could carry a gun... only about 10% ever would but.. that would be enough to make us one hell of a lot more polite society.

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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2007, 12:21:28 PM »
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louis.. I think you are missing the point..   and it is a big one.  The mall was a "gun free zone"   the church was not.. in the mall.. the sheeple ran screaming and dying until the cops showed up and chalked the outline of their bodies in the blood pools.
The entity "gun free zone" is a meaningless attempt at a PR exercise, designed to make people comfortable about going to the shopping mall/school district etc. But it means... NOTHING.

Ever see those highway signs that say "police speed check area"? Does that mean that police check speed in these areas but nowhere else? Good luck to anyone who believes that. :lol

The mall is not, never was and never will be a "gun free zone" because the USA is not a gun free zone. In designating the mall a "gun free zone", how was the number of guns carried by private citizens reduced? Any stats/links on that? No, didn't think so...

Still, you think that arming private citizens is the answer to dealing with church shootings. How many church shootings have occurred in England/Wales in the last 10 years, in light of the fact that the church congregations there cannot be armed? There, it really is a gun free zone, and according to your "logic" there should be church shootings galore every Sunday. Well guess what - there isn't. Care to explain that one to me?

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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2007, 12:29:14 PM »
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The entity "gun free zone" is a meaningless attempt at a PR exercise, designed to make people comfortable about going to the shopping mall/school district etc. But it means... NOTHING.

:D


I must differ, rather than meaning nothing it guarantees there will be NO law abiding concealed carrying civilians present to stop these sociopaths.
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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2007, 12:33:38 PM »
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I must differ, rather than meaning nothing it guarantees there will be NO law abiding concealed carrying civilians present to stop these sociopaths.
I repeat - Any stats/links on that? No, didn't think so...
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2007, 12:33:38 PM »
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There, it really is a gun free zone, and according to your "logic" there should be church shootings galore every Sunday. Well guess what - there isn't. Care to explain that one to me?

 


yes, the criminals are too busy robbing unarmed people in their own homes.
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2007, 12:36:21 PM »
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yes, the criminals are too busy robbing unarmed people in their own homes.
You're making a big assumption that burglars and murderers are one and the same. Seems like you attended the same school of logic as Lazs.
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2007, 12:37:31 PM »
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I repeat - Any stats/links on that? No, didn't think so...


Stats/links on what? I assure you that it is illegal in Texas to carry a concealed weapon onto property that denial has been posted iaw the law. Therefore, any one who does carry a concealed weapon there is a law breaker. Are you arguing this or are you claiming the mall where the recent shooting occurred wasn't a no gun zone?
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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2007, 12:41:57 PM »
i spoke in error, i said the people were unarmed, i forgot about the cricket bats.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2007, 12:41:58 PM »
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Stats/links on what? I assure you that it is illegal in Texas to carry a concealed weapon onto property that denial has been posted iaw the law. Therefore, any one who does carry a concealed weapon there is a law breaker. Are you arguing this or are you claiming the mall where the recent shooting occurred wasn't a no gun zone?
I'm asking for stats/links which show how many guns are no longer carried in these "gun free zones". Many people won't carry of course, but then they probably wouldn't have done anyway BEFORE it became a "gun free zone". How can we tell?
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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2007, 12:45:58 PM »
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I'm asking for stats/links which show how many guns are no longer carried in these "gun free zones". Many people won't carry of course, but then they probably wouldn't have done anyway BEFORE it became a "gun free zone". How can we tell?


I specifically said law abiding gun carriers. Guess you missed that part.
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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2007, 12:48:45 PM »
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I specifically said law abiding gun carriers. Guess you missed that part.
I missed the part which states to what extent gun carriage has been reduced since designated areas became "gun free zones". Oh wait, it's not there. That would explain why I missed it. :aok
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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2007, 12:51:55 PM »
Yep beetle is definitely back.
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