mossie vs 38l

[hyster]

I've always loved the mossie and i wanted to learn to fly it as a fighter but my early experiences's with it early on when starting to play AH2 made me re-think that and stay away from it unless i was bombing and needed to get there quickly.

now i considered the 38l easy meat until the other night. i came across a 38l about 12k and i was in a spit 16 a bit higher. i thought another easyish kill. to cut a long story short the guy in the 38l eat me alive and my first reaction was the f*** cheatin w**** (sorry to squaddies who has to listen to my out burst on vox). the guy was something like guex. i got a of him after wards so i guess i didn't to badly.

now last night i was in a mossie and came across a 38l about 10k i was about 6k. i thought crap im dead. turns out i out flew him and shot him down. i carnt remember the guys name but i checked the roster after wards and he was ranked about 1200 i think(i no rank dosent mean every thing but i believe it does give a fair indication of the pilots skills). i assumed the 38l would out fly the mossie with ease.

now my problem.

how good is the mossie at acm? is it worth trying to learn or keep using it on the odd bombing run?

how good is the 38l? the fight against it i had in a spit16 was that a case of the 38l pilot being outstanding in it or me being totally crap at the time?

my experiences's with both planes over the last few days have left me confused over both planes capability's.

[goober69]

i really know nothing about the mossie, but i know the 38 is an ecelent plane in the right hands, i think this was a case of pilot skill over plane skill.
the first guy knew what he was doing and the second either didnt or made some mistake like coming in to hot overshooting you or underestimating you.

i personaly clasify the mossie as litlte better than an a20 and the a20 is great in the right hands, yes its labled bomber but i know some have lots of sucess in it as a fighter.
a good pilot can take any plane up and get kills ive seen d38 jap bombers down 163's in a duel and ive seen huri 1's in a six on one be the only plane left. all about the pilot.

just my opinion as im no experten and joined about a year after you lol

[SlapShot]

Hopefully "thrila" will chime in on this post. He flys the Mossie almost exclusively.

And your right ... rank means nothing ... and no, it is not a good indication of one's fighter skills.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by hyster


now my problem.

how good is the mossie at acm? is it worth trying to learn or keep using it on the odd bombing run?

how good is the 38l? the fight against it i had in a spit16 was that a case of the 38l pilot being outstanding in it or me being totally crap at the time?

mossy as a fighter  = YES learn it, it is awesome with the right control.

P38 vs your spit16 = hmm, P38s are good, if the pilot knew his stuff then he can easily beat a spit16 in certain situations.


i was chasing down BiPloar the other day. I was in the mossy with about 65% fuel loaded and he was in a P38J.

well, despite my very best efforts, i even hit his oil and fuel when i got a good shot in, despite my best efforts i was reversed and soundly beaten by some very skilled flying from BiPolar.

I am not sure exactly what the planes brought into that fight, flown equaly it could go either way.

The reason i got beat was BiPolars skillfull flying AND making good use of his planes advantages over mine. NOT any thing i did wrong just that he did everthing right. this leads me to believe the P38 with a good stick will be a tough fight for anyone in the mossy IF flown as well as bip flew it the other day.

[KgB]

p38 is anything but easy meat .

[crims]

Once again ...... It's not the Plane It's the Pilot

I would fly and learn as many planes as you can.

It sure helps when you fight them to know how what they can do.




Crims

479th Raiders FG

[Murdr]

P-38 has a better rate of turn than the mossy.  The mossy can pull a tighter low speed turn radius.  The P-38 excels in vertical maneuvering, the mossy must be cautious in vertical maneuvers near stall speed due to its tendancy to flat stall.  P-38 has better low end accelration, but the mossy has a higher top speed.  When you balance out relative strengths and weeknesses, either plane has a chance at gaining an advantage, though I lean slightly toward the P-38 given equal pilots.  They are close enough that it could go either way depending on pilot skill.

[splitatom]

it has always been the pilot not the plane that maters you could fly a p-40 and you could beat a p-51

[bj229r]

The thing about mossies, 110's and A20s---they can all turn well enough to make a HO attempt, and ya always have to respect that first, takes away from the fight

[The Fugitive]

Thats what makes this game so tuff !!!! No plane is alike, and no pilot is alike. You could fly a mossie against a dozen different P38l's, and have a dozen different fights.

Any plane is worth learning, and any plane can beat another plane. Run into Snaphook/humble in that A20 of his, and I don't care what your flying, your in for a fight !

I never take any fight for granted, or see a plane and say "ahhh easy kill". They all hold something in store for you !

[hyster]

thanks for the reply's guys.

im aware that a large part is down to the pilot but apart from ho'ing i never rated either much beyound bombing. i tryed the mossie again last night and in a flight i fought and won against a p-51 and a 110. admititly niether pilot was that good (we all start somewere) but it has given me a lot more respect for the mossie, think ill fly it more often and go from there.

[humble]

I flew a bunch of mossie hops over the weekend and its significantly different then the A-20 (which I knew already). As murder said its weakness is in its control authority at high AoA...it simply cant hang with a 38 (or A-20) thruout certain portions of the flight envelope {IMO}. It has reasonable rudder authority slow at high AoA but "flutters" and threatens to drop a wing requiring both alot of touch and control input that bleeds of E and makes the situation worse.

It doesnt have the zoom the A-20 does but it has significantly better sustained climb. My thoughts are that the 38 has the upper hand but the mossie has a very significant exploitable window in the "midgame" where the 38 driver has to balance relative E state and relative positioning. Like the A-20 the 38 driver has to get "inside" the mossie at risk of a FQ or snapshot (unless the 38 had the initial advantage) yet maintain enough E not to let the mossie gain the perch. The mossie doesnt have the pure "rotational" capability the 38 does so once it gets into a out of plane flaps and rudder affair I think the mossie will be hard pressed.

I view the mossie as an offensive flying gun package, with alt & E it'll gain a shot opportunity on just about anything...usually hitting that shot makes or breaks the fight...if it gets drawn into a phonebooth fight its not going to prevail vs a 38.

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Looking at donzo's charts the mossie seems less able in vert then I'd have thought. I had a better sustained climb out then the 2100 ft/min it showed for sure...curious if performance was bumped in FM change. A-20 has a better sustained climb then the mossie according to that chart (non wep)

[humble]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Thats what makes this game so tuff !!!! No plane is alike, and no pilot is alike. You could fly a mossie against a dozen different P38l's, and have a dozen different fights.

Any plane is worth learning, and any plane can beat another plane. Run into Snaphook/humble in that A20 of his, and I don't care what your flying, your in for a fight !

I never take any fight for granted, or see a plane and say "ahhh easy kill". They all hold something in store for you !

For a below average noob I try my best to at least keep it interesting for a few seconds:D

TY for the kind words BTW

[Karnak]

2,100fpm = full fuel and 2,000lbs of bombs.

[humble]

ahhhh......

TY I was somewhere around 2900 ft/m at 50% from what I recall w/o wep on initial climbout...