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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2007, 11:39:47 AM »
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I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.

However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north.  We responded and joined in on the fight.  I could not believe the crap that the  dweebs of terror were up to.  A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened.  This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation.   Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.


Film is in to skuzzy already. No question that if Shawk has any concern over his squads reputation this guy needs to be booted. As you said hopefully the powers that be will take a good look at it.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2007, 12:12:45 PM »
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I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.

However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north.  We responded and joined in on the fight.  I could not believe the crap that the  dweebs of terror were up to.  A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened.  This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation.   Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.


State a name, not a squad. The actions of one does not mean the whole squad is that way. And it is a Glitch, NOT a cheat as you are trying to state. I have seen this happen in the past with others. Also remember cheating allegations are not allowed on the BBS per the forum rules as I recall.
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2007, 12:20:59 PM »
is that the guys all they do is fly uber dweeb C-hog landing mass kills?
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2007, 12:22:21 PM »
1st,

If it was a glitch then it happened repeatedly over hours with the same guy. It was not a singular event.

2nd,

It was brought up repeatedly over 200 and obviously the player in question knew it. Speaking for the 71st any of our members would have immediately relogged and apologized for unintentionally taking advantage of an obvious "glitch". This player continued to engage in an obviously indestructable plane repeatedly over multiple sorties.

I dont know if it was a "glitch" or not, but if its repeatable over time then it goes from a singular event to an exploitable repeatable event which brings us the the magical "C" word.

Unless you have more specific information I dont think your any more qualified then I am to comment on if it was/is a "G" or a "C". Regardless of either the fact that the individual in question exploited the "bug" repeatedly over an extended period of time would seem to be a violation of the spirit of the game if not the actual TOS.

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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2007, 12:33:24 PM »
Not saying what he did was right or wrong ethically. (exploting a glitch maybe, Cheat No) Just stating that because 1 person in a squad does something. Does not mean everyone in that squad does it or agrees with it. I wasn't there and have only flown about 2 hours the past 3 months so I can't say whether any of the squad brought this up to him or not. Bottom line; It shouldn't have even been brought up on the BBS per the forum rules. It should have just been sent to HT to take action as he deems neccessary.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2007, 12:33:53 PM »
A glitch happens once.


A purposeful exploit happens every sortie, every time, for multiple days in a row (as in this case). 2-3 days in a row people have seen this player do this, and without fail it's always the same guy, sortie after sortie. To me that is more than "a glitch"...


P.S. It WAS sent to HTC. However, HTC is silent in their actions. They won't discuss it.

The issue that Humble brought up is another issue. Not one of "I reported you!" but "Shame on your squad, for tolerating/condoning your actions"


It's more an issue of social responsibility for a "top ranked" squad. If they wish to remain in good repute, they must police their own, and when they see such disreputable behavior over and over (repeatedly) with one of their top-10 ranked pilots (one might say, one of the pilots responsible for their squadron status as a whole?) then perhaps they need to deal with said pilot.


The country that wins every olympic gold medal for 100 years running loses any credibility if the people winning those medals have been using every steroid known to man during this time frame. Same here. Several "No wonder they're ranked so high, if they pull this crap" comments were heard on Sunday, and if they wish to flush their own rep down the tubes, so be it. Most folks care a little bit about rep if they spend 90% of their time trying to get such a "high ranking score".


It's a valid issue.
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2007, 12:36:02 PM »
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I have no idea what transpired with Bear...but that seems to have been worked out amicably.

However, yesterday, JG11 recieved a call for help from the CH's and 71st, in an effort to stop the relentless Bish push in the north.  We responded and joined in on the fight.  I could not believe the crap that the  dweebs of terror were up to.  A Corsair, with NO wings, burning for what seemed like hours but actually was about 7 minutes on film, Flying perfectly, shooting people down and then landing kills....It was BS! Reapeatly this happened.  This was no glitch...This Corair "Cigar" really lived up to the nickname, A flying tube, on fire...just a fuselage, and burning at that, flying like there was no damage at all, and immune to the final kill shot as well...I hope HT bans this guy for life...Sadly, I wasnt surprised by the squad affiliation.   Very sad this kind of crap is...very sad.


Stampf knowing SHawk like i do and having to talk with him about one of his squadies before, if you just go straight to him and talk with him SHawk will normally deal with it how ever he sees fit. now dont get me wrong you go to him with no proof then he going to laugh at you, but show him proof and he will deal with it. he has always delt with issues i have had with very few of his squadies.

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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2007, 12:36:06 PM »
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Not saying what he did was right or wrong ethically. (exploting a glitch maybe, Cheat No) Just stating that because 1 person in a squad does something. Does not mean everyone in that squad does it or agrees with it. I wasn't there and have only flown about 2 hours the past 3 months so I can't say whether any of the squad brought this up to him or not. Bottom line; It shouldn't have even been brought up on the BBS per the forum rules. It should have just been sent to HT to take action as he deems neccessary.


So you gave up playing in favor of being the BBS police?  How admirable! to you!
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2007, 12:38:38 PM »
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Stampf knowing SHawk like i do and having to talk with him about one of his squadies before, if you just go straight to him and talk with him SHawk will normally deal with it how ever he sees fit. now dont get me wrong you go to him with no proof then he going to laugh at you, but show him proof and he will deal with it. he has always delt with issues i have had with very few of his squadies.

blasting it on public forums will get you no where. :aok


Now thats a "reasonable" reply. I didnt bring it here, was only backing up Snap.  Film is in the mail.  No one here used the "C" word, player handle or Squad name.  You ony needed to see the 200 talk to know, this was NO Glitch, or at least...was a bad exploit if it was one.
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2007, 12:53:04 PM »
Wow, I go back to add a "P.S." to my previous post (no delay between post and edit) and find 3 more replies by the time I'm done!

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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2007, 12:57:40 PM »
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Now thats a "reasonable" reply. I didnt bring it here, was only backing up Snap.  Film is in the mail.  No one here used the "C" word, player handle or Squad name.  You ony needed to see the 200 talk to know, this was NO Glitch, or at least...was a bad exploit if it was one.


Just cause I haven't played doesn't mean I can't post on the BBS.

You need to re-read your own post. You did state a squad name and implied an individual on that squad did cheat by stating it was no glitch. That is the same as stating he cheated.

I am on your side that exploiting a glitch is wrong. I came on here and stated to name a name not a squad. Don't make it out like a whole squad approves of certain actions. Hopfully you can grasp when I am saying.
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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2007, 01:07:25 PM »
I've got nothing but respect for Shawk, I have never seen him behave in an underhanded manner. No different then I have never previously had even a single cross word with BearKats that I recall. Both incidents left a bad taste with me.

The 1st in that I tried to engage Bearkats in a discussion to try and figure out what was going on and got very harshly (and uncharacteristically) slammed down. Again I appreciate his comments and it reconfirms my prior thoughts on both him and the squad he's with. We all have our moments...

As for the second issue this has been ongoing over not just multiple sorties but multiple sessions and apparently multiple days. At heart is the reality that we all take the damage model as a whimsical arbitrary thing. I've lost numerous fights were I landed a good (but obviously non fatal blow) and I've won more then a few where the other guy lit me up good and my ride kept on keeping on. Underneath it all we accept the "breaks of the game" (or rub of the green) to use the golf anology. So it raises the question of how often is this happening with this individual with less obvious damage. Does his plane fly "normal" without a control surface?

How many times did he absorb damage less flagrent and keep on trucking?

So yes to me this is a much bigger issue then the 1st was...

And again Bearkats you have my appreciation and respected for addressing that with me...

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2007, 01:08:11 PM »
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Just cause I haven't played doesn't mean I can't post on the BBS.

You need to re-read your own post. You did state a squad name and implied an individual on that squad did cheat by stating it was no glitch. That is the same as stating he cheated.

I am on your side that exploiting a glitch is wrong. I came on here and stated to name a name not a squad. Don't make it out like a whole squad approves of certain actions. Hopfully you can grasp when I am saying.


How do you know that it was in fact a "glitch"?

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2007, 01:15:30 PM »
If said person is ranked #1 (hypothetically) and has a kill/death ratio in the CHog of 385-35, but has a 462-146 in the DHog, and has been using this exploit, it could skew the results.

CHog kills/deaths 11
DHog kills/deaths 3

Big difference, no? One can see how using such an exploit can rocket somebody up into the single digit ranks, where their "normal" kills/deaths would otherwise preclude them from going.

Where normally they might be ranked in the 50s, they suddenly are #1 (again, hypothetically)

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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2007, 01:25:50 PM »
I stated my opinion on this matter, so I will not continue after this. Apparently your not getting what I am trying to say. That's one problem with text, you can't always get everyone to read it like you intend it be understood. I was trying to get across which I stated, was don't condemn a whole squad for the actions of 1. and don't make it out like a person is cheating on the BBS.

Like I stated before, I am in agreement that what conspired was wrong, whether it was a glitch or not. But the BBS is not the medium for this. E-mail to HT is the only thing that should have happened.

And as far as krustys new post about rank...I personnally could care less about rank. That has no bearing on the subject in this thread
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