Questions of conduct...

[hubsonfire]

Just give us the name. Until HTC starts banning these guys, we might as well enjoy a nice witchhunt.

I'll vouch for Hondo and Shawk both being stand up guys, and also point out anything that gives a player an unfair advantage that improves their stats screws Shawk over as much or more than anyone else. I think he'd take issue with anyone cheating, just as he did with the multiple accounts guys who vulched themselves or an accomplice for ranking purposes. He may be a scorepotato, but he's always played by the rules in my experience.

[Yeager]

Ill tell you one thing, ever since they did the server swap recently, the game has behaved somehwat erratic at times.....

[Krusty]

Fair enough Hondo, but the issue isn't reporting the exploit. That's been handled. The issue is whether or not the respected squad the member belongs to wishes to take actions or wishes to lose their respectability. It's more along the lines of social discussion.

Perhaps it's a little out of hand, but frankly it's a social issue and this (the forum system) is one of the major social backbones of AH. I only persisted because I didn't think you saw the difference in the topics at hand. I will also let it drop, as it seems to be going nowhere right now.

[SFCHONDO]

I concur with that portion. buddy

[kamori]

Ok If its a logon Glitch then it happens for the entire time that person is Logged on. In this case that seems to be what happened. There has been many glitches in the game the last 4 yrs ive been here. I remember when HTC created AcesHigh 2 that you could sit on a hill in a tank take supps and end up inside the hill. You could see out but no one could see you or hit you at that matter. Many did this for some time then one day HTC did a patch and whalla problem gone. Whats the big Deal? Why dont you all play this for what it is.....A GAME...Wonder how many of you out there have downloaded or typed a cheat on a game you have at home...Learn to Deal with it....HTC will fix the problem A.S.A.P. Im sure. I call it gaming the game.

Kamori

Also,  your all lucky it wasnt me... I would have landed a Goon on your runway w/ ak full up and taunted the heck out of you all...This would have been halarious to do. Oh heres one, how bout landing a 262 on an enmy CV....LOLROF   Well about his score...Any doubts   Take him to the DA youll all have something to learn Im sure...

See Ya in the GAME

[mtnman]

In a way, the current scoring system encourages these problems.  This is a  competitive game, and people want to be recognized as "good" at it.  For some, winning a fight here and there isn't enough, they want a measurement showing them and everyone else how "good" they are.  A scoring system is a legitimate way to show that, as long as it's an accurate representation of what it's supposed to be measuring.

Currently, it's way too easy for people to pad their scores in less-than-legitimate ways.  Vulching second accounts, driving jeeps inside Tigers, scoring what would normally be seen as "fighter" sorties as "attack" in order to not have deaths show up as fighter deaths (an LA-7 defending a field but scored as an "attack" for example), etc, etc, etc...  Sure, no rules are technically violated, but does that mean it's a "clean" way to build a rank?  We're essentially  left to our own honor systems when it comes to earning a legitimate rank.  There sure doesn't seem to be anyone keeping an eye on the scores, and how people go about "earning" them.  That leaves lots of room for people to pad scores.  Even if they aren't doing the "Big C" so to speak, they're still taking advantage of weaknesses in the system.  Even if those people are caught, the damage to "rank credibility" has already been done.  Handling these issues in private may appear to make good business sense, but if the masses don't see a cause/effect relationship showing that bad behavior gets punished, then no punishment appears to be handed out, which in turn encourages bad behavior from others...

Does this lend itself to a credible scoring system?  Hardly.  Either there aren't enough rules, or the rules in place aren't enforced.  It's so easy for people to build a rank that those with rank are seen as having used illegitimate means to achieve it.  Rank means nothing- because rank means nothing...  Can someone using "legitimate" means to earn a rank consistently compete against those that don't?  If not, the system has problems.

Imagine a professional football game where there were no refs.  What a mess that would be.  Of course, the game could be filmed and later shown to a ref- but that would be too late.  Even if a penalty was called, it wouldn't affect the final score.  And what percent of the fouls would be seen anyway?  How popular and legitimate would football records be in a situation like this?

Sending a film in will take care of a blatant cheater, as it should- but it only if someone happens to film it and suspect it for what it is...

[kamori]

Its Not a Cheat Its a Bug........Professional Game...LOL    LOL  

Kamori:lol

[B@tfinkV]

Bparker has around 120 kills for 6 deaths in fighters this tour and a kills/hour rating of 15.

hmm, what are you guys talking about? i was just quoting random players and their scores.

[kamori]

So whats your point?  



Kamori

[Lusche]

Originally posted by mtnman
In a way, the current scoring system encourages these problems.  This is a  competitive game, and people want to be recognized as "good" at it.

Yes, but do they get the desired result? In my experience 99% of all players do not care for my rank # at all. And with the few comments I ever got on my rank #'s, the derogatory ones outnumbered congratulations by at least 10-1.
The people you can impress with a fancy rank are usually not playing this game for more than a few weeks

[Stampf]

lol...fink.

Never had an issue with SHawk.  Shot him down a few times, he's shot me down a few times.  Never Ho'd eachother, and each fight has ended with a .  No issues with the WoT either, in fact, my son and Dextur are good buddies, and fly together or fight eachother all the time.

I think what Krusty brought up is most relevent to most people in the game though.  Shawk, doesnt need to cheat, or exploit to get his picture on the wall.  He's got the time, knowledge, and skill to get it there.  Great...more power to him.

BUT, when a member of his #1 ranked squad engages in this type of stuff...well, it's only natural for the outrage to be larger than normal.  Those in the spotlight draw the most gazes.  I'm sure the Hawkman will handle it.

[VonMessa]

Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Just cause I haven't played doesn't mean I can't post on the BBS.

You need to re-read your own post. You did state a squad name and implied an individual on that squad did cheat by stating it was no glitch. That is the same as stating he cheated.

I am on your side that exploiting a glitch is wrong. I came on here and stated to name a name not a squad. Don't make it out like a whole squad approves of certain actions. Hopfully you can grasp when I am saying.

First point, Nobody has made any claims that just because you don't play, doesn't mean that you do not have the right to post.

Second point,  I don't recall any "exact" squad names, or in-game ID's were used.  Just partial ones.

Third point, I don't recall any using the word cheat or any of its conjugations or forms.  The actual word used was "BS" and that it was "no glitch"  Nowhere was cheating even implied.  For all we know, the pilot of said machine didn't even know what the problem was.

As far as CO's go......

Even though this is not "real life"  everything a squad member does, reflects on the squad as a whole.  Just as in a real life unit, or one who is a business owner (such as myself), EVERYTHING is the "boss's" fault.  That is just the way of the world.  If a squaddie behaves with conduct unbecoming, it's the CO's fault, whether he knows about it yet or not.  If one of my employees drops the ball at a wedding or mitzvah, its MY fault, whether I was there or not.  With my experience in the service, if a platoon member is accused of misconduct, the platoon leader is the one who is chewed out.  Chain of command, plain and simple.

I would think that Stampf would be the last person to "gossip" or accuse anyone without going through the chain of command and proper channels.  His squad is run in such a manner, he accepts nothing less from his subordinates, and  he leads by example.

However, if we are quoting rules (not that I am trying to break the following)....


6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.

I'm sure that you already knew that, though, since you are so well versed in the forum rules and code of behavior.

Auf Wiedersehen, and good day to you sir!



PS:
In the meantime, I will patiently wait for the sage input of the Skipper of the squad in question.

[SFCHONDO]

LOL....I haven't the time to re-explain this to you again since you didn't read every post throughly it seems.

Take care

[kamori]

The actual word used was "BS" and that it was "no glitch" Nowhere was cheating even implied.

"No Glitch" does not imply cheating?   Really, Please explain to thoses of us not versed in the BBS rules.....

Kamori

[B@tfinkV]

i sent Shawk a PM from the arena, warning him that his buddy was turning a few heads and warming up a few emails.

a squady of mine thought it was amusing to rename them

~Cockpits of Terror~

or

~Wingless of terror~

made me laugh anyhow.

at the end of the day though, Shawk is a good man, he is smart and capable and honourable. I'm sure he wnt mind this humour directed at him because he is secure with himself and his squad. so the issue is not even about scores or squad rankings. We know the WoT, and most of us respect them as people who make the game fun.

something like this can do no long term 'damage' to WoT because the friendships we have with her members remain intact and do not rely on scores or even this game at all.

S!