Author Topic: Petition to remove skin from game (Read 2066 times)

Krusty · « **on:** December 17, 2007, 12:32:46 AM »

Who else would like to see the P-38J skin "20FG/79FS by Jager" removed from the game?

It's almost completely inaccurate for a skin. It's not very well made, either. It's supposed to be a MTO unit, but it's got japanese kill marks on the nose (PTO) and it's got garish red outlines around the stars and bars, which would have only been present for a short window of time in 1943, before the P-38J was in service.

There is no real way for doing this, so I'd like to get a bit of a petition going here.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:27:58 AM »

It's supposed to be an 8th AF 20th FG bird. Not even close.

Larry · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:36:03 AM »

Dan do you have any profiles of what the skin should look like?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2007, 02:46:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Dan do you have any profiles of what the skin should look like?

It's a 79th FS, 20th FG P38J coded MC-Y flown by Lt. Russell Bebout

It would be OD/Gray with blue surround to the Star and Bar. 20th 38Js would not have been around for the short lived red surround. Spinners and the front of the cowling should be either the ID white or the 20th FG Yellow depending on timeframe and it probably carried invasion stripes at some point and the white square on the tail of the 79th FS MC would be on the tail boom behind the radiator in white with a white Y on the radiator housing.

There's a photo of it somewhere in my stuff. I can't find it but will keep looking. We went over this one another time as well

Treize69 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:01:41 AM »

Heres one of its stable-mates at Kings Cliffe, MC-Z. Note the obvious demarcation between the OD/Gray and the dark surround to the Star-and-bar (ie- Insignia Blue), not to mention the 79th FS square-tail squadron marking.

Also, no 20th FG P-38 ever had a single Meatball flag on it, let alone 14 of them.

Heres how a spring 1944 20th P-38 should look-

And heres two examples of how they actually did their killboards- it wasn't just a box of flag decals like they did in the Pacific (not to mention no 20th pilot was credited with 14 kills, period).

And like Dan said, we've been trying to get rid of "The Abomination" since day 1.

Larry · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:15:57 AM »

Well then I think you guys sould send an email to HTC if you want it outa the game.

AWwrgwy · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:25:53 AM »

I'm all for getting rid of it.

By the way,

P-38J 79 MC-Y Bebout Lt. Russell W Betsy VI 20th FG, 79th FS

Can't find a picture.

wrngway

Treize69 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:33:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Well then I think you guys sould send an email to HTC if you want it outa the game.

We've been trying for two and a half years now Larry. They've added many and removed several P-38J skins through that time, but The Abomination is still there.

All I can think is that Jager has some kind of dirt on Skuzzy and they are afraid to tick him off. How it even got accepted is beyond me, I've had skins refused for minor issues with panels not lining up quite right or wheel hubs being wrong (even though they came directly off the default HTC skin) and yet somehow that... thing... made it in.

Its all spelled out in this pamphlet...

Larry · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:38:25 AM »

Then one of you remake it. Good chance they'll then take his out.

Spikes · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2007, 06:45:55 AM »

Thats the skin I fly.

Krusty · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2007, 09:42:38 AM »

The next step is to send HTC an e-mail requesting it. I first wanted to see if I was the only one. With a large portion of the skinning community behind it, it would carry more weight.

Treize, thanks for the pics, those will help when I include a link to the thread in the e-mail I send!

Mus51 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2007, 10:16:30 AM »

Get rid of it, also f there is another skin that we should get rid of is this one IMO:

Krusty · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2007, 10:21:37 AM »

Aside from any implementation reasons (i.e. how the skinner made it into a skin), why? It would appear to be somewhat historically accurate, despite any other "quality" reasons.

oboe · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:22:22 PM »

I prefer only historically accurate skins make it into the game. Beyond that, I prefer skins from a variety of theaters and FGs, from a number of different skinners.

The black P-38 may have a following among people who aren't aware how inaccurate it is, so HTC will get complaints no matter what it does in this case.

Having a policy and sticking to it is probably the best way to defend against complaints, and I thought the policy was "historically accurate skins only".

What skins have come and gone for the '38?

btw, speaking of skin inaccuracies - I just noticed out wing tanks on the default P-38G skin.

Treize69 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2007, 02:55:38 PM »

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What skins have come and gone for the '38?

I forget specifics (I'm lucky I can remember how to get home from work every day) but there is at least 1 P-38J that I remember seeing and thinking "wow, what a piece of crap" and in the next skinpack it wasn't there anymore. I think it was a 1st FG/71st FS one.