AAA seems unworthy of respect

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras

On multiple occasions I've witnessed 3-4 fighters take out all the ack at a field or city just by strafing, no bombs or rockets--and one attacker is left with a smoking engine.
 

must be noobs, 3-4 vets will take down a medium field ack and suffer no loses

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by Lusche
If you keep playing for some time, you will notice a lot more complaints about how unwordly effective field ack in game is, accompanied by a lot of requests for downgrading or even entirely removing ack from AH2

You are on the money Lusche... De-acking even a small airbase and town is a dicey proposition as a "single" even with rockets and bombs in a heavy fighter! The patience required to de-ack an airbase is completely offset by some pesky opponant upping a fighter or jumping in an Ostie/M-16 or the "Soft" gun mentioned above, and sending you to the tower to ponder your folly! Usually one or two hits and you're through...

[MotorOil1]

Agreed, 3-4 guys working together or even at the same time can take a field down no problem.  

I wouldn't try it as a single.  I'll usually go in if I see someone has drawn fire.  It's easy to pop one or two acks and get out.

[Anaxogoras]

Ok, "better than it used to be."  That still leaves room for improvement and adjustment to optimize arena play.  To make the point clear, we're not going for historical accuracy: if you crash your La7 or Spit16 there's usually another one waiting for you.  It's for that kind of reason that a deterent like AAA must be meaningful to create balance.

[crockett]

Originally posted by MajIssue
You are on the money Lusche... De-acking even a small airbase and town is a dicey proposition as a "single" even with rockets and bombs in a heavy fighter! The patience required to de-ack an airbase is completely offset by some pesky opponant upping a fighter or jumping in an Ostie/M-16 or the "Soft" gun mentioned above, and sending you to the tower to ponder your folly! Usually one or two hits and you're through...

I think it really just depends on the plane you are flying. Try to deack a field in say a Ki-84 and it can be done and I can do it by myself. Yet it's dicey to do it because those plane get pilot wounds so easy.

However turn around and do it with a LA7, a Yak or even a C hog and it's almost a cake walk. In regards to manned guns, they almost aren't even an issue IMO on a small base.

If I want to de-ack a small AF, I start by hitting each end and I always hit the manned guns along with the ack that's at each end first. The only manned gun that is a threat id the one in the center be even it's a easy kill unless the guy manning it is good.

I think if they made the auto ack any stronger it would result in more ack hugging. Hence the reason I suggest 5 min rebuilds on manned ack and then maybe one  or two of the CV style 5 inch guns.

As a side note, I never use rockets on ack. I always use cannons so I don't miss it by accident.

[Saxman]

Ack-Ack hit it on the mark. Just grab the 25H and snipe the guns from 2k out with the pumpkin chucker.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
B-25H is great for deacking bases.  Can fly outside of ack range and lob in those 75mm rounds.

ack-ack

                       I'd like to see the 25H used more often the way the airplane was designed to be. In airspace controlled by friendly fighters the 25H can put a serious hurt on a TT or airbase targeted for takeover. I flew one last night that I upped during a "fly your own mission".

                    Sadly you see the 25H used less and less in LW.

[Yippee38]

Jump in a field gun and see how effective you are at it.  It's not as easy as you might think.

[ROC]

Hmm, Optimizing arena play, defining balance, noteworthy effort.  One slight problem, you don't get to decide what is balance nor optimized

Those are assumptions based on your style of play, it's possible it's not broken for "most" players.

Ack, for the sake of another opinion, is worthless and shouldn't be relied on to protect a base.  If "I" wanted to play against a computer I'd do something offline.  Better to rely on the fact that the ack is worthless and get the Human players together and defend.

Just saying, it's all about perspective, and one's definition of balanced or optimized is nothing but an opinion.

I'm all for yanking the auto ack all together and doing nothing but manned ack, I mean, this is a multi player game for a reason.

The best thing about AH compared to other flight sims is quite simply that this Isn't those other games, no need to turn this game into them, that's why many of us are here in the first place.

[Anaxogoras]

I think if they made the auto ack any stronger it would result in more ack hugging.

Which is equivalent to complaining about people who grab too much altitude before the fight.  There has to be some kind of safe zone for people to reasonably land and take off.  Obviously, don't do it from a capped airfield, we know that's dumb.  As it is now, the AAA does not provide such a zone against lone vultchers.

Just saying, it's all about perspective, and one's definition of balanced or optimized is nothing but an opinion.

If you really believe this then you have no grounds for telling me what you think.

[ROC]

Before you go and get your panties in a wad, refer to your own words

Anyone else think this is a valid concern?

Don't ask for opinions and cry when they don't agree with yours.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras


If you really believe this then you have no grounds for telling me what you think.

Actually he does. Its friendly advice, dont be an bellybutton about it.

[Marshal]

The auto ack is much better then it used to be. Before the upgrade I was able to go into an airfield town and take down the hole thing in an osti. Now as soon as the ack gets a couple of shots on you it takes out your turret.

[Anaxogoras]

Don't ask for opinions and cry when they don't agree with yours.

This is merely rhetoric.  Nothing I've written can be called "crying."  You know that.

All I've done is given some reasoned arguments against majority opinion to see if anyone might be persuaded.  If not, I'm ok with that.  I'm not offended, are you?

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Ok, I can see why the statement "If you really believe this then you have no grounds for telling me what you think." ruffled some feathers.

Read it as a logical statement and you'll understand my meaning.

[ColKLink]

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