Author Topic: Itallian Planes (Read 2412 times)

Rich46yo · « **Reply #15 on:** December 19, 2007, 05:56:30 AM »

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Originally posted by croduh
Think about it.By your standard the only planes we should have are Me262,P51,B29 and La7.

Think about it. Those are four planes Ive never flown.

Think about it some more. You have no idea what I fly or what my standards are. That, and I wasnt asking you anything.

Matador again I ask you respectfully to make your case for these Italian bombers.

croduh · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2007, 06:30:37 AM »

It just bugs me very much, does it matter if the plane was slower or less powerful, they would fill a huge, huuge gap in early plane set we have now.That makes a pretty good case to add them.

Krusty!Yes we need G.50!But at this rate of adding planes, we might just not ever see them.

Krusty · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2007, 09:24:51 AM »

Rich46yo, drop the belligerent attitude.

For one, he's right. By your logic, you wouldn't add ANY plane unless it was the fastest and best of the entire war. Well, frankly, we already have those.

People said "Oh the B-25 will be a hangar queen because we have the B-26" --- well the B-25 stats show more than 2x the use of the B-26, so speed and payload are NOT everything. Especially when my C202 can kill 6 P51Ds and Spit16s (as it did Monday night) despite being "slower and weaker" as you might imagine.

And, as a side note, why should matador have to personally answer to you? You've not added anything to this thread. Please keep in mind not everybody is like you (thank god?) and many of us would like to see the plane set better filled with more planes from the different nations. It really helps give you variety, and helps in SEA/AvA/CT setups, which are woefully lacking in most areas of combat because of deficient planesets.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2007, 01:46:42 PM »

Krusty drop the arrogant condescending attitude. I dont answer to you and wasnt talking to you so mind your own business.

I will ask Matador one more time. """Respectfully I ask you to make your case. Exactly what would these Italian bombers offer to AH bomber sticks?

Other then smaller bombloads, less defensive armament, and less speed.""""

And for the third time Matador I am asking you respectfully.

Heres my take on it Matador, should you or should you not deign to answer me. There were a lot of airplanes that flew in WW-ll, and a lot of bombers. We get so very few of them in this game. Most of all bombers that, at least in my way of thinking, any new bomber should not only add to the game but also be a model that people will actually fly.

Im not familiar with some of these Italian airplanes so if theres somthing to them then I'm all ears. And nobody every said you "have to" answer to me. Nor did I say anything that either krusty or croduh are babbling about.

I'd like to see some of these so called "stats" that the B-25 is flown more then the 26:lol other then "killed" stats. Either way I was always positive about the 25H, flew it last night, while the 25C is a hangar queen.

Hey Krusty you aint a lawyer are you?

Motherland · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2007, 02:42:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Rich46yo

I'd like to see some of these so called "stats" that the B-25 is flown more then the 26:lol other then "killed" stats. Either way I was always positive about the 25H, flew it last night, while the 25C is a hangar queen.

Actually, I see 25C's a lot. About as much as I see Ki67s, B26's, and Ar234s.

BTW, how are you to talk about how much a plane is flown? Judging from your scores, youve only seen things that are attacking you... and gvs. I dont know quite why youd expect to see a 25C with those things in mind.

Krusty · « **Reply #20 on:** December 19, 2007, 02:47:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Krusty drop the arrogant condescending attitude. I dont answer to you and wasnt talking to you so mind your own business.

You were posting on an open forum that I was reading. Hence, you WERE talking to me (and many others) yet singling out one person for no other reason than you THINK he's wrong on something.

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I will ask Matador one more time. """Respectfully I ask you to make your case. Exactly what would these Italian bombers offer to AH bomber sticks?

Other then smaller bombloads, less defensive armament, and less speed.""""

And for the third time Matador I am asking you respectfully.

And, for the third time, you fail to see the point. The point being *HE* doesn't have to answer your question, but rather YOU have to explain why YOU think only the best bombers should be added.

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Heres my take on it Matador, should you or should you not deign to answer me. There were a lot of airplanes that flew in WW-ll, and a lot of bombers. We get so very few of them in this game. Most of all bombers that, at least in my way of thinking, any new bomber should not only add to the game but also be a model that people will actually fly.

You're saying only the best planes with the best performance should ever be added. We've already replied to you saying we HAVE the best planes with the best performance, for the most part. If you only have P51s and La7s and B24s that's a pretty piss-poor selection and folks will start wanting more. This game is about a lot more than just getting kills in the fastest, bestest, uberest plane around.

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Nor did I say anything that either krusty or croduh are babbling about.

Really? Here's what we are "babbling" about...

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"We get so very few of them in this game. Most of all bombers that, at least in my way of thinking, any new bomber should not only add to the game but also be a model that people will actually fly."

You're implying that people will only fly something that is better than what is already in the game. Your tone and what you've typed has shown this to be your feeling on the matter.

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I'd like to see some of these so called "stats" that the B-25 is flown more then the 26:lol other then "killed" stats. Either way I was always positive about the 25H, flew it last night, while the 25C is a hangar queen.

It's right there for you on the HTC webpage.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105stats.pl

The B-25H was claimed to be a practical hangar queen also, FYI (before it was made).

Tour 95
B26
1662 kills
B25 c and h combined
3150 kills

Tour 94
b26
2957 kills
B25 c and H combined
7584 kills

And that's just late war. Add early and mid and the B25s gain several hundred more kills.

So, back to the point: You're demanding a response from a guy that doesn't owe you one. You're holding him personally responsible for answering to you for no reason, other than perhaps you think he's in the wrong for suggesting a plane that has been asked for by hundreds (if not thousands) of AH members since day 1 of the game being open to the public.

So yeah, keep asking. Fine with me. Just don't smack your forhead too hard when you realize it makes you look like a jerk.

EDIT: The "since day 1" was reference to the Sm.79 in particular. It's been asked for many many times.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #21 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:01:21 PM »

Im not "demanding" anything from anyone. You aren't "he" I wasnt talking to you! And you got no business opening your yap and starting trouble where none existed. What are you ? His lawyer or just an excitable busybody?

Problem solved. From now on when you open your big mouth, stick your nose in other peoples business, lie and insinuate I said somthing I didn't, and just generally act like an idiot, I wont even "see" your nonsense.

Heckuva tool the "ignore" feature. Promotes good discussion while limiting the impact of babbling troublemakers.

Bronk · « **Reply #22 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:18:12 PM »

Off topic.
Krusty you and I may have our differences. The person whom you are now trying to reason with is beyond reasoning with. No amount of data or proof will do. Best to drop it and laugh at his ignorance.
And welcome to bomb****s ignore list. Yur in good company.

On topic
I'd say any new "fighter" AC would be welcomed. We've had new gv and new buff added already.

Krusty · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:20:54 PM »

Thanks for the tip Bronk, so noted.

The real question is, if you model an open cockpit, will the wind noise be 2x louder on that plane vs other planes?

Motherland · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:36:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Im not "demanding" anything from anyone. You aren't "he" I wasnt talking to you! And you got no business opening your yap and starting trouble where none existed. What are you ? His lawyer or just an excitable busybody?

Problem solved. From now on when you open your big mouth, stick your nose in other peoples business, lie and insinuate I said somthing I didn't, and just generally act like an idiot, I wont even "see" your nonsense.

Heckuva tool the "ignore" feature. Promotes good discussion while limiting the impact of babbling troublemakers.

You realize that YOU are the "babbling troublemaker" here, right?

Bronk · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:52:22 PM »

Krusty check your PM.

TUXC · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2007, 10:08:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Motherland
You realize that YOU are the "babbling troublemaker" here, right?

Careful 762R, you'll get put on ignore!

Back on topic. I'm in support of anything that fills out the early and mid war planesets, especially in the underrepresented countries. For fighters that means Russia and Japan and for bombers pretty much everyone besides USA. We're already well off with the 1945 uber-ride plane set. Filling in some glaring holes in other areas would allow for more options for FSOs, scenarios, and special events, not to mention some great perk farming!

Motherland · « **Reply #27 on:** December 19, 2007, 10:10:31 PM »

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Originally posted by TUXC
Careful 762R, you'll get put on ignore!

Oh noes!
I think I've lost my meaning in life.

Selino631 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2007, 06:10:30 AM »

Hey, guys comeon, If your going to fight about it do it somewhere else lets try to keep this thread ON-Topic please. i am filling in for Matador he wont be online for several more days, if you have anyquestions feel free to ask, i will be on today but will be gone 19-25th so you can pm me or see me on the game. i have most of the information matador because i gave him refrences and i talked to him at school.

Selino30 (Righteous Vengeance)

Rich46yo · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2007, 02:34:36 PM »

I am so tired of this crap. All I did was ask the man respectfully, "I deliberately used that word", why he thought these airplanes should be modeled and included in the game.

Then I get a couple of the usual boneheads jumping in, saying I said something I didn't, insinuating and starting trouble, and just generally breaking up what could have been a good thread.

It is happening less and less cause I got 10 of these goofs on ignore so hopefully if I keep whittling em down a lot of this stuff will stop cause I am just plain tired of arguing here.