How's the Kyoto treaty thing going?

[AKIron]

I stayed over one night in Kyoto in '86. Seemed they were creating as much c02 as everyone else.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
even more proof that I think Kyoto is the worlds biggest environmental scam.

Short of that the second biggest would be recylcing as a whole.  (note:  certain materials are the exception Aluminum, paper, copper, ect)

Its worse, because the Green Party is part of our government (helping another left wing part to majority) they're talking about carbon credit/taxes (NZ has signed up to kyoto).

Yet NZ contributes a whole 0.001341488% to global man made carbon emmisions.

Its just another tax scam as well as keeping certain politicians and government employees in jobs.

[Fishu]

Great, the USA's emissions didn't grow that much, but per capita americans are polluting twice more than a few selected countries.


Carbon dioxide emissions per county (1/1000th metric tons):
United States 6,049,435
China 5,010,170
Japan 1,257,963
Germany 808,767
Canada 639,403
United Kingdom 587,261
France 373,693

Carbon dioxide emissions per capita (1/1 metric tons):
United States 20.224
Canada 20.158
Germany 9.811
United Kingdom 9.716
Japan 9.873
France 6.161
China 3.835


Being that much ahead per capita doesn't give much reason to be proud. At least canadians have an excuse in the cold weather.

[AKIron]

Breath in, breath out. There you go, "polluting".

Originally posted by Fishu
Great, the USA's emissions didn't grow that much, but per capita americans are polluting twice more than a few selected countries.


Carbon dioxide emissions per county (1/1000th metric tons):
United States 6,049,435
China 5,010,170
Japan 1,257,963
Germany 808,767
Canada 639,403
United Kingdom 587,261
France 373,693

Carbon dioxide emissions per capita (1/1 metric tons):
United States 20.224
Canada 20.158
Germany 9.811
United Kingdom 9.716
Japan 9.873
France 6.161
China 3.835


Being that much ahead per capita doesn't give much reason to be proud.

[LEADPIG]

There's nothing wrong with slamming the U.S.A.

You love your children but do you go along with everything they do or say?

Those that don't slam the U.S. at times are either:

1. blind

2. ignorant

3. deaf

4. Republican

5. Rich

6. Fat dumb and happy

7. Scared

8. easily intimidated

9. Poosies

Clearly America's a wonderful lady doesn't mean she doesn't need a spanking every now and then.

[cpxxx]

Kyoto was a nonsense as is the latest Bali thing. The reality is that most countries and have failed and will fail to meet their committments. They know this but it's all about appearing to be doing something.

The US wouldn't play the game because they knew that if they tried to reduce emissions as demanded it would damage the economy severely. That still remains true. All the other governments knew this too but went along with the charade.  Big conferences like those develop a momentum of their own and everyone gets caught up in the atmoshere. Reality strikes, of course as soon as they go home.

Governments are very cynical and have no consciense so they always do what's best for them in the very short term.

This is all very ironic for people like me who unbelievers about all this global warming schtick.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Its worse, because the Green Party is part of our government (helping another left wing part to majority) they're talking about carbon credit/taxes (NZ has signed up to kyoto).

Yet NZ contributes a whole 0.001341488% to global man made carbon emmisions.

Its just another tax scam as well as keeping certain politicians and government employees in jobs.

yeah, it's pathetic, a sick joke, and it's going to be one hell of a burden on our economy. but apparently that’s the price little nz is going to have to pay for saving the world <puke>

a good deal of those extra taxes we will pay will be penalties for not meeting kyoto emission targets, and even worse they will end up lining the pockets of the creators of this crap- europeans. **** them. they don’t give a watermelon about nz and never have, so i'm at a loss as to why we hook our wagon up to every lame turkey they come up with, to the detriment of nz.

there's no light at the end of the tunnel on this con either. it's a sodding disease. it's been embraced by most of the political spectrum in nz, it's not just the government manipulating it for their own purposes.

instead of discrediting and attacking the obvious and utter corruption of it the piss poor excuse for an opposition party are scared that they will loose the votes of the brainwashed sheeple at the next election so they are keeping their mouths shut out of self interest... they badly need to grow a pair. and just in case i'm wrong and they really are clueless they should be told that the emperor has no sodding clothes on you dumb chits.

[lazs2]

shouldn't the figures be adjusted for both population and gross national product too?

Not that it matters.. the US should get all the money they fined all the other countries because we are putting valuable co2 into the air which has increased crop production worldwide 15%.

lazs