Author Topic: Custom Gunsights (Read 3483 times)

Sketch · « **Reply #30 on:** February 04, 2008, 04:45:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Agent360
Don't publish sight packs with sights you did not make yourself.

And why not.....

Some of these sights in the pack I put together are from years ago, like the one JB73 put together and the ones SlapShot did and also the Aero ones... Some if not most are not hosted anywhere else but by players who have been in this game for years such as myself and many others. What am I getting out of having a collection of gun sights and putting together a pack for players to use and choose from. Some like sights with lots of lines and sqiggles and the famous n00b Sight that has an arrow telling you where to shoot... Some just like a simple dot such as SlapShot and myself.
I make no money for this or the time and effort some of use do putting together sight packs, sound packs or skins for the game. The most I have gotten was a 'nice collection' comment or a pat on the back. Sorry for being nice to the Aces High Community. I guess we all better stop making Sound packs and sights and skins for the game....

stickpig · « **Reply #31 on:** February 04, 2008, 06:04:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Sketch
And why not.....

Some of these sights in the pack I put together are from years ago, like the one JB73 put together and the ones SlapShot did and also the Aero ones... Some if not most are not hosted anywhere else but by players who have been in this game for years such as myself and many others. What am I getting out of having a collection of gun sights and putting together a pack for players to use and choose from. Some like sights with lots of lines and sqiggles and the famous n00b Sight that has an arrow telling you where to shoot... Some just like a simple dot such as SlapShot and myself.
I make no money for this or the time and effort some of use do putting together sight packs, sound packs or skins for the game. The most I have gotten was a 'nice collection' comment or a pat on the back. Sorry for being nice to the Aces High Community. I guess we all better stop making Sound packs and sights and skins for the game....

I think he means dont claim them as your own

Sketch · « **Reply #32 on:** February 04, 2008, 07:03:15 PM »

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Originally posted by stickpig
I think he means dont claim them as your own

Never have.... Just because it is labeled Sketch's Sights pack does not mean I said I made them. I have posted many times that this is a 'collection' from the years of playing. Never said I made them or claimed them.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #33 on:** February 04, 2008, 07:21:54 PM »

Sketch, are you sure that 2 color sight in the 39Q is in the pack? I downloaded it back in June, and there's a sight that appears similar, in the Mixed Group Folder. It's labelled c205, but it doesn't appear to be exactly the same. Maybe I'm missing something here?

Sketch · « **Reply #34 on:** February 04, 2008, 07:34:12 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Sketch, are you sure that 2 color sight in the 39Q is in the pack? I downloaded it back in June, and there's a sight that appears similar, in the Mixed Group Folder. It's labelled c205, but it doesn't appear to be exactly the same. Maybe I'm missing something here?

Think it is.... you talking about the one on the main page right? I will check and see. Ranger and I are working on some new sights as well as cleaning up some of these older ones. If I don't have the 39Q one I will see if I can find it and add it when he new sights pack is released.

EDIT: Hubs, I just checked and I think it is the C205 (Thick) sight. In the pack it is red, and it is also similar (not exact) to the 'half circle2' sight, but without the center lower line. I will try doing some work this week and see if I can get something close if you want? Just let me know...

hubsonfire · « **Reply #35 on:** February 04, 2008, 07:43:16 PM »

Yep, the sight in the 39Q screenshots.

It looks different though, the way the lines fade. More like Aero's Revi's than the simpler sights in the Mixed group folder. I can't really explain it clearly, bit cloudy on Vicodin atm, but if you look at them, in game and out, I think you'll see what I'm getting at.

Sketch · « **Reply #36 on:** February 04, 2008, 07:50:45 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
It is the same layout of the sight, I think, but the coloring is different. I think Waffle may have done some tinkering with it. At this point though, I've got sights from multiple packs and some customized sights I've made, so I'm not really sure what was whose, or if I've deleted a bunch of dupes or different versions of sights. Ah well, no biggie.

I had to read that about 3 times before my brain computed it

You have to figure there are about 350 or so sights out there and that doesn't include individual ones people have made so there multiple versions of a sight that was made 6 or 7 years ago till now. Will be cool to see them 5 years from now. As for me, I will probably still be using SlapShots!

Spikes · « **Reply #37 on:** February 04, 2008, 07:51:52 PM »

I just downloaded Sketch's sights, they're marvelous Sketch!

Agent360 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 04, 2008, 10:08:56 PM »

Sketch,

I meant don't claim sights you did not make as your own.

By making some sights yourself and then adding a few/all from another site pack you did not make and then republishing it as "yourname site pack" you are stealing other peoples work. This is what I meant.

If you want to republish other older site packs from your extensive collection that is fine and is helpful to others as well. Just make sure you indicate somehow either by folder name or file name that you did not make them and better yet give the original author the credit and keep his pack together with all his original files that came with it. Perhaps including an email address, game name or any other proper information in a text file along with the site pack. I would call it "credits.txt"

If you dont have any information about the original author then state so and make it clear they are from your archive and you dont know who made them.

I added that statement for the benifit of new people who want make their own sites and perhaps publish them. Wasnt directed at you or anyone else.

This rule should be followed for everyting that is custom created in this game or otherwise. Including maps, screen shots, films, and skins...etc.

Sketch · « **Reply #39 on:** February 04, 2008, 10:47:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Agent360
Sketch,
I meant don't claim sights you did not make as your own.
By making some sights yourself and then adding a few/all from another site pack you did not make and then republishing it as "yourname site pack" you are stealing other peoples work. This is what I meant.
If you want to republish other older site packs from your extensive collection that is fine and is helpful to others as well. Just make sure you indicate somehow either by folder name or file name that you did not make them and better yet give the original author the credit and keep his pack together with all his original files that came with it. Perhaps including an email address, game name or any other proper information in a text file along with the site pack. I would call it "credits.txt"
If you dont have any information about the original author then state so and make it clear they are from your archive and you dont know who made them.
I added that statement for the benifit of new people who want make their own sites and perhaps publish them. Wasnt directed at you or anyone else.
This rule should be followed for everyting that is custom created in this game or otherwise. Including maps, screen shots, films, and skins...etc.

I am not gonna start a pissing match with you on this... I never said these were mine. If you have a beef about this pack with me then PM and don't drag this crap public. It gets old with people jumping in here and busting peoples chops about petty stuff like this. What do I get out of this? Nothing! I make no money or profit from it. I zipped all the sights I had one day and e-mailed it to someone. Then another person asked and then another. Figured it would be easier to just put it in my signature block for all to use... for free!! But maybe I will make you happy and make little blocks and do all the research and find out who made each sight so that they don't get mad at me. I didn't see JB73 crying with his sight in there, and he made that like 4 years ago, Hell the guy was honored to see it still being used!! You know why, because it is a good feeling to know your helping out people. You posted up how to make them, good on you and I you for that. But, you better go through and let everyone else in this game that does not work for HTC, as far as films, sights, screen shots, sound packs and skins (the first four I have done and am working on skinning) that they better make sure they name the originator. A lot of these sights are from a long time ago and most of those people don't even fly anymore. I respect them and put this out there to help new players, but about 80% of those sights have just been around a long time. I will go work on that last 20% just for you so you get a warm fuzzy....
A lot of people work hard on films, such as USRanger, BNasty, Yanksfan and myself. Long hours of editing and getting the timing right for each clip and going through hours upon hours of footage.
A lot of people also do sound packs such as Mitsu, Fruda and Waffle. All who made some of the best ever in this game. They are the originators of sound packs that myself, Ranger and TwinBoom have done and you know what. I didn't have Waffle beating down my door telling me I could not use them. All it is is a collection that has been changed and stuff added and taken away to make something new and fresh for the community.
Guys like Fester, Krusty, Greebo as well as countless others have made skins for this game. Man, I wish I didn't have so many choices to choose from... gee, glad thay put something out there for us ALL to use as a community. Now, I know most of those skins started from where? HTC created them. Now I know some have been done by scratch (I believe Fester does hisown rivets and such who also posted a very fine tutorial on it!) and some have even written up how to do a skin straight and simple, such as Krusty, who has helpe dme out on many occasions with stuff... for free! Fester asked for one sheep but whose counting...
All these guys will be remembered for these things they have done and I am done ranting to you about it... I have no beef with you, but please be civil on this and think before you accuse me of 'taking' away so to speak the original creators work of the subject at hand. I didn't say I made them, I just said it is my collection that I have got over the many years of flying sim games, no more, no less.

JB73 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 05, 2008, 12:02:53 AM »

sketch, I will agree with the others here...

I looked at your sights pack just now, and wow, theres 11 sights I have made in there, along with tons by Aero, Waffle and others...

It'd be nice to get a tiny bit of credit for work done, no matter how long ago.

in the next few weeks if I have time I plan on re-doing all the sights I made if people like / use them, he sights can be fun for some, like the thread I posted today:

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=225897

My sights, I don't condone or say I use them, but I spent the time making them, and don't want that time to be wasted. Just saying when I left a sight pack out there to DL I labeled the folders "waffle's sights" and so on, and in the post credited Areo AND Mitsu not only for the additive style solution they proposed to HTC, but also their work on it.

honestly if it weren't for those 2 we might not have any quality custom sights in the game, they are the pioneers, and lead the way for most others, including an HTC employee Waffle.

as for skins, in game it credits the maker, like my 190 d9 skin....

~~I just wanted to say this.~~

JB73 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 05, 2008, 12:08:12 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Yep, the sight in the 39Q screenshots.

It looks different though, the way the lines fade. More like Aero's Revi's than the simpler sights in the Mixed group folder. I can't really explain it clearly, bit cloudy on Vicodin atm, but if you look at them, in game and out, I think you'll see what I'm getting at.

hub that sight wasn't in his groups last I saw... the original I made is in the new thread I made, the blue / fade to purple with the lines and all... it varies on system to system how it shows, but i assure you that is the only version of it I made.

Sketch · « **Reply #42 on:** February 05, 2008, 05:19:55 AM »

I am fine with how you handled this JB, and I respect you for that. I know of a few sights and yes, those who did make those sights deserve credit. I know of a few that you made, but not all of them so it is hard to tell who gets the initial credit. The way Agent types out a post and then publicly stones me at the end with his comment is what set me off. A PM or something similar would have been nice but instead he acts as if I don't respect the history of these sights and the individuals who made them.
Trust me I respect the work done on those... but not ones have I taken credit for these sights. All it is is a collection. Kind of like baseball cards, die cast planes or such... I didn't make those cards or planes, but have just collected them. I have nothing more to say to Agent about this because of the way he approached it. He might as well have walked to my house and punched me in the face. As for you JB and respect what you said on this and yes when it is redone it will be something more than it was. But that fact of the matter is it started out just e-mailing to folks because they were looking for sights. I hosted it up so it was easy for others to get. Nothing more, nothing less...

SlapShot · « **Reply #43 on:** February 05, 2008, 08:40:07 AM »

Sketch ... I can't believe the crap your getting.

Create a README.TXT file with names of those who contributed to your "collection" and include it in your ZIP file. No need to try and figure out who did what and label it, unless you really want to do it.

If you get any more crap on it ... take the link down ... I wouldn't blame you if you did.

And to keep in line with the thought ... then every "soundpack" out there had better follow suit. Unless the author of a soundpack changed every single sound ... then they can't claim it as their soundpack.

Same applies to the skins ... the exported "base" skin that everybody uses to create a new skin should give credit to Waffle, Nate, and any other HTC artist that created the "base" skin. Unless you start with a "blank" page and do it all yourself ... then you can't claim it as yours.

If we are gonna "sweat the small stuff", then lets be consistent.

Agent360 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 05, 2008, 03:50:38 PM »

WOW!!!!!!

Sketch...you took my post totally the wrong way. I have never looked at your site pack. Don't know anything about it.

I just included the "Don't publish sight packs with sights you did not make yourself" statement for new people who might start making sights. And it didnt mean someone shouldn't re publish/host other site packs. It was just a simple informative statement for people who don't know.

My second post WAS NOT directed at YOU. I should have written it all in third person. My use of the word"you" was meant to describe the "public at large" not YOU as in "sketch".

And I was trying to clarify the first post's statement by further explanation.

You have taken my post as an attack on you. This is totally incorrect.

I posted directions on how to make sights and included the afore mentioned statement for completness.

There must have been something else in this thread about credit that I missed. Perhaps this is why you thought it was directed at you.

I stand by my statements about credit. If the author is unknown one should indicate that as opposed to taking credit. I do not know if you have done this or not and I don't even care if you did. It is irrelevent to any of my posts.

As a proffessional photographer and graphic artist I am sensitive to this issue as I catch people who steal my work all the time and even worse will publish my photos and claim credit for it. I despise this behavior. So it was only natural for me to make a statement about this issue.

I apoligize for disrupting this thread as it should be about making gun sights and not purse fighting.

Salute Sketch for all your hard work on sights and making them available to everyone.

Please carry on with the thread as I consider this a closed issue.

I need to re write the post in third person but I can't edit it now.

S!