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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: December 21, 2007, 07:01:11 PM »
I'm surprised none of you degenerates posted about this yet.  After all it involves the suffering of hard working strippers.

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Texas Adds 'Pole Tax' to Strip Clubs for $5-Per-Customer Levy
Friday , December 21, 2007



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DALLAS —

Texas, where strip clubs have given rise to Anna Nicole Smith and many other less-generously endowed performers, is about to make it more expensive to watch a little bump and grind.

In what some have dubbed the "pole tax," the Lone Star State will require its 150 or so strip clubs to collect a $5-per-customer levy, with most of the proceeds going to help rape victims. The tax goes into effect on New Year's Day.

Club owners and some of their customers say the money is going to a noble cause, but they argue that the tax infringes on their First Amendment right to freedom of expression, that it will drive some bars out of business and that it unfairly links their industry to sex crimes.

"We'll be fine. I've already stopped advertising, and we're raising our cover charges. But this is going to kill some of the smaller clubs," said Dawn Rizos, who with her husband runs The Lodge, a Hemingway-inspired place that has exotic animal heads on the walls and is packed after Dallas Cowboys games at nearby Texas Stadium.

The strip clubs are suing to block the tax, which state officials estimate will raise more than $40 million a year, based on liquor sales figures. If accurate, the estimate suggests at least 8 million people a year go to Texas strip clubs to get a lap dance or watch women pole-dance in a G-string.

Supporters of the stripper tax say they are not out to close the clubs — that would just mean less money for victims of sexual assault.

"This is an industry that largely employs women, and this gives them an opportunity to raise funds for a crime that affects women," said state Rep. Ellen Cohen, a Houston Democrat who sponsored the bill, approved by the Legislature in May.

"I've been told the fees to get into these places can be $10, $15. I don't think another $5 is going to prevent someone from going," said Cohen, who is also president of a women's center that could get funding from the new law.

Most places will probably raise drink prices and cover charges, or start charging a cover if they don't do so already.

Strip clubs occupy a mythic place in Texas lore as a spot where young women can work their way through college and small-town girls with dreams of Hollywood stardom get their start on the lowest rung of show biz.

Texas' topless spots range from dimly lit dives with pickup trucks lined up outside to gentlemen's clubs that resemble plush hunting lodges and attract men in business suits. The pole tax is unlikely to have much effect on your finer establishments.

On a recent weekday at The Lodge, the cars in the valet parking lot included BMWs, a Ferrari and several Mercedes. At a table in a back corner sat Jerry Trigg, an architect who said he goes alone or takes customers to clubs in Dallas and Houston about three times a week.

Trigg said he typically spends about $50 during each solo visit and $200 or more when entertaining clients. He said a $5 tax won't affect the number of Diet Cokes he consumes, tips he doles out or lap dances enjoyed.

But Elle, a 28-year-old former Dallas dancer, said she worries the tax will hurt women like herself who work their way through college by stripping. She earned a degree from the University of Texas at Arlington and said she now runs a computer-servicing business with her husband.

Elle said she averaged $200 a day at the Lodge — "on good days, a hell of a lot more."

The owners of Players, a small topless bar in Amarillo, are among those suing the state. They said that adding a $5 tax to the $4 cover could drive away customers and force the club out of business.

"They won't pay it," said Chandra Brown, president of the company that owns Players. "They won't come in. They can't afford it."

Some customers and clubs say it is not the extra five bucks; they resent the implication that strip clubs lead men to commit sex crimes.

Rizos said The Lodge already pays the state $1.3 million a year in taxes, and the topless tax will be an additional $60,000 per month.

"Run the right way, these businesses can really be a benefit for the community," Rizos said. "We're a huge convention draw for the city. We raise money for charity with our car washes."

Utah enacted a 10 percent tax on topless clubs in 2004. That same year, the Texas Legislature considered a $5-per-head fee, with the money going toward schools. But lawmakers didn't like the link between strip clubs and kids — the idea was mocked as "Tassels for Tots" — and the proposal died.

The idea was resurrected last summer by the Texas Association Against Sexual Assault as a way to open more rape-crisis centers.

In their lawsuit, the clubs said nude dancing is protected by the First Amendment and the state can't selectively tax it, even if it is conduct some may find offensive. Besides, they argued, the tax is so broad it could apply to concerts by performers like Madonna or Britney Spears who wear low-cut tops.

Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University, said the Texas tax goes too far.

"It seems clear legislators are targeting strip clubs because they're unpopular," Turley said. "Laws like this would expose any unpopular industry to punitive taxes. It could be abortion clinics."
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IN real seriousness this is absolutely appalling.  The fact that they can indiscriminately tax one type of business to pay for something it's not proven to be linked to.

Imagine if a republican taxed abortion clinics and gave the money to an adoption program.

I hope they sue and win.

I'm trying to leave politics out of this but it is no surprise a new tax is being introduced by a democrat.  What is a surprise is that this is coming from a woman and fringes on one of those morality type issues that conservatives eat up.

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 07:06:42 PM »
When the lobbying began for the Texas lottery it was advertised that the proceeds would largely go to education. It took several years and much citizen clamoring for this to actually happen. This stripper tax will never do more than line the coffers of some politician's discretionary fund.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2007, 07:14:44 PM »
them thar demeycrats is gona tax the rich by golly.

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2007, 07:23:05 PM »
Texas runs the only casino in the state (lottery). I guess it's not out of character for the state government to start pimpin'.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2007, 07:23:49 PM »
Encouraging women to be viewed as sex objects doesn't contribute to rape?

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2007, 07:34:21 PM »
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Encouraging women to be viewed as sex objects doesn't contribute to rape?


No. Rape is not about sex, it is about control, dominance, and power. Rape was around long before strippers, or pornography.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007, 07:40:47 PM »
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Encouraging women to be viewed as sex objects doesn't contribute to rape?


In addition to what virgil said.  Going to the strip club isn't really about sex either.  Not to many guys go there to get laid, they go there to be entertained by hot woman.

I don't see how it's encouraging anyone.  In a free market you have the FREEDOME to go there or not.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2007, 07:43:55 PM »
Well, whatever you call it, a stripper is selling her body.



his/her body ;)
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2007, 07:51:10 PM »
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Well, whatever you call it, a stripper is selling her body.



his/her body ;)

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2007, 07:52:46 PM »
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Encouraging women to be viewed as sex objects doesn't contribute to rape?


Actually in countries where prostitution is legal.
The ratre of rape is considerably less then that in the US.

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2007, 07:56:25 PM »
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Actually in countries where prostitution is legal.
The ratre of rape is considerably less then that in the US.

Virgil is quite correct



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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 08:06:58 PM »
How about we propose a $5 a head tax on Churches. It's about time they start paying their fair share being they want to be so involved in politics.


Hell $40 million would be nothing if they charged churches tax. I say if the Reglious Right wingers want to try to impose their views on everyone else.. Well it's about time they start paying their fair share of taxes.

Seems fair too me..

Heck they could even give the money to children whom have been molested by priests.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 08:07:51 PM »
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How about we propose a $5 a head tax on Churches. It's about time they start paying their fair share being they want to be so involved in politics.


Hell $40 million would be nothing if they charged churches tax. I say if the Reglious Right wingers want to try to impose their views on everyone else.. Well it's about time they start paying their fair share of taxes.

Seems fair too me..


That's got to be the stupedist thing I've ever heard!

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 08:11:24 PM »
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That's got to be the stupedist thing I've ever heard!


Why is that? They get off Scott free on taxes, yet try to continuously push their views on everyone else by putting pressure on govt officals. I say if they want to keep sticking their noses in politics, well it's time to start paying for it just like every other business in this country does.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 08:12:54 PM »
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Why is that? They get off Scott free on taxes, yet try to continuously push their views on everyone else by putting pressure on govt officals. I say if they want to keep sticking their noses in politics, well it's time to start paying for it just like every other business in this country does.


Having both gone to church and paid taxes I feel fully justified in calling BS on your rant.
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