What's the #1 fighter?

[Adonai]

Originally posted by Viking
This thread is about the planes in this game, and how they perform in this game. If you have any complaints or grievances to the accuracy of the game I suggest you make your own thread, preferably in the Aircraft and Vehicle forum.

I don't really care how these planes performed in real life 60+ years ago. It is pretty irrelevant.

Isn't game based on how planes performed 60+ years ago?

If it was irrelevant we would see Tie Fighters in this game. Actually more like having Do-335's and other planes didn't see service.

If you have any complaints or grievances to the accuracy of the game I suggest you make your own thread

lol?

[Viking]

It is irrelevant to this discussion and the intention of this thread.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Adonai
Isn't game based on how planes performed 60+ years ago?

Loosely perhaps: if it was then most people wouldn't be able to successfully fly let alone land these planes. It is a game.

[Adonai]

Yep cartoon planes where people can hit tree's and re-up 5 seconds later.

Or better yet, Sheep that can stop a 56 ton tank.

[Fariz]

Originally posted by 2fly
There are no "best fighters", only "Best Pilots."

Someday I want to be one...

So do I...

[Fariz]

Huh, no YakU in the list? All those nubs who fly the great plane and pork the stats -(

[kilz]

Originally posted by Adonai
Rawr kilz

Adonai my sheep Rawr better then that give me something better or to the curb with you.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras

Of the non-perked aircraft, I see more Spit 16's than anything else.

Because you maybe see them more of a threat than the P-51D, which has both more kills & more deaths each tour.
But as most people tend to lump all Spitfires together: The "Spit" icon is of course the most numerous one in the arenas. All the different Spitfires added together have a total 18.5% of all kills & deaths.

[WWhiskey]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
Top 10 K/D last 6 months:

Chute   2520.00
Ship Gunner   247.85
Tempest   6.18
Me 262   5.81
Me 163B   5.71
Tiger I   3.45
F4U-1C   2.58
F4U-4   2.54
Gunner   1.79
Sherman VC   1.64

Fighters only:

Tempest   6.20
Me 262   1.00
Me 163B   4.57
F4U-1C   2.20
F4U-4   2.67
Typhoon IB   4
Hurricane Mk IIC   4
Bf 109K-4   3.8
Ki-84-Ia   1.625
Fw 190D-9   3.2

Non-perk fighters only:

Typhoon IB   1.53
Hurricane Mk IIC   1.47
Bf 109K-4   1.46
Ki-84-Ia   1.38
Fw 190D-9   1.33
P-38J   1.32
Ki-61   1.32
F4U-1A   1.32
A-20G   1.27
P-47-D25   1.27
Fw 190A-5   1.24

You forgot  the number one and two killers in the game
#1 ground
#2 trees

[PanosGR]

This thread is about the planes in this game, and how they perform in this game. If you have any complaints or grievances to the accuracy of the game I suggest you make your own thread, preferably in the Aircraft and Vehicle forum.

I don't really care how these planes performed in real life 60+ years ago. It is pretty irrelevant.



It is supposed to be that this game is based on the actual performances and FM  that so many people think there is superb, and I have no reason to argue them. Other than that there is no reason to play this game.

If you not interested in RL plane performances why do you play this game? Most of the people here they play because they like WWII fighters and I think it’s their right to do, if you may.

 If you don’t want to play with people that like WWII fighters try something else like Battlefield 1942, or a Nintendo or a PS.

You won’t fell the difference anyway

PS if you are not interested about planes that were 60+ years ago why do you want the ME 410 in the game? And what exactly Me 410 do you want. The one that is based on the actual performance or an Me 410 that is based on HT imagination?

[humble]

There really isnt a single answer since the pilot makes the plane "shine". A good pilot can make the most of an "ordinary" plane and a great stick makes anything he's in "uber".

So I'd say the following 3 planes stand out (perked or not)....

#1) Hurricane

The "average" pilot views the game as a "dogfight" and the hurricane combines exceptional "2-D" capability with high leathality. Put anyone in a hurricane and they become somewhat dangerous...

#2) Tempest

Again for the avergae pilot we have firepower and speed, for the above average pilot a tremendous low alt E fighter (where most of the "action" is)

#3) 109K

above someone posted the "K" was a "poor" plane chosen by good pilots or something to that effect. Actually the K is probably the single most formidable plane in the game in a non scenario element. It simply requires a good pilot that understands how to use it.


Accordingly if I see a hurricane I worry about the 20mm...

If I see a tempest I worry about getting picked and if I see a 109K I just worry....

[VansCrew1]

It really depends on who your asking but over all in the game i would say the tempest.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
It really depends on who your asking but over all in the game i would say the tempest.

Naw... Tempest meets F4U-4 Co-E, Co-Alt... Tempest is dead in short order.. Unless it runs away.

The best overall fighter is the F4U-4. Great speed, acceleration and climb. Superior handling and will easily out-turn any of its late-war competitors. Plus, it can carry 2k in bombs, + 8 rockets and operate from a carrier. Nothing else compares.

Think about this: On the deck, 1v1, the Tempest cannot beat the La-7 given equal pilots. On the other hand, the La-7 can barely hang with the F4U-4.

Urchin and I did some comparison duels with the La-7 and F4U-4. While the La-7 holds its own initially, as the fight slows down, the F4U-4 takes command (those marvelous flaps).

Climb to 10k and the La-7 is clearly much over-matched.

My regards,

Widewing

[humble]

I was suprised the mossies not anywhere on the list....

Looking at just this months raw numbers a couple of things really suprised me.....

1) Looking at a few of the well known rides the "leading" model isnt the "best" one...

Spit VIII 0.9442 vs Spit IX 1.1243 [spit XVI 1.0959]
P-38L 0.7951 vs P-38J 1.4710
P-47N 0.7902 vs P-47D25 1.531
190D-9 1.3574 vs 190A-5 1.3915

I left the 109 off since it's not clear cut with all but the E holding up well and even the E doing much better then the spitI or P-40B etc...as a "cult" ride:D the 109 attracts a "better" overall class of pilots I think...{actually within the scope of the airwar as presented in AH its a very good plane} with the F being a greatly under appreciated killer...

Here are the random things that really stood out to me....

The 190A-5 has a significantly better k/d ratio then EVERY spitfire (so does the A-20:aok )

The 109K, 152 and Tiffie (in that order) are the top 3 non perk k/d ratio birds...

The 190A-5 has better numbers then the hurricane and La-7 as well....

So I draw the following conclusions based on the raw data....

1st and formost as I always have said the A-20 is as good as any fighter:aok since it beats all the spitties the hurricane and the la-7.

More seriously however good pilots have favorite rides...

The F4U-1a, P-47-D25, 190A-5 and P-38J & SpitIX clearly stand out. your statistically more likely to be facing "baron von uber" then "the bonnie noob" when you meet one.

Also the A-20 appears to attract a better class of pilots then the Mossie or 110's since the numbers are so skewed [A-20 1.4, 110G 0.64, Mossie ~1.0]

Obviously to some degree the lower numbers on some planes reflect the Jabo lemming role to a degree while planes with low use have numbers skewed as well [moot, ww etc in 152 this tour?]


Overall my biggest suprise is the mossie having such low numbers. Even with Jabo/gv hunting I'd expect it to have numbers on par or higher then the A-20 given its speed/firepower advantage....


*** at edit ***

I left the hogs out above for same reason as the 109's, only suprise was the poor numbers for the D and the fact that the C actually has better numbers then the -4

While I certainly cant disagree that the -4 hog is easily the best fighter in the game (prop or jet IMO) it isnt readily usable by even a "better" pilot IMO. The strengths are formidable but subtle since its as much in the combo of "slow speed" & power/acceleration" as raw speed or firepower. IMO most sticks fair worse in the -4 then in a tempest la-7 or other ride unless they fly the other hogs reasonably well....

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Adonai
P-47N is not fastest, only at Alt it can sustain it with wep on, however F4u-4 can match the P47N at alt without Wep on.

Tempest on other hand is like the F4u-4, has a very nice blend of acceleration and sea level speed that makes it the fastest, along with an empty Typhoon can be pretty darn fast on the deck as well. Speed alone is just a factor, P-51B is probably top 5 as fastest on the deck but guns wise I doubt it will ever hold a high k/d ratio

Max speed at 30K...

P-47N: 476 mph WEP/436 mph MIL
F4U-4: 445 mph WEP or MIL (at 30k, there's no MAP boost using WEP)

On the deck, the P-51B is not among the fastest, able to reach only 358 mph. In comparison, the 109K-4 can do 368 (as can the P-51D), with the F4U-4 doing 376 mph, P-47N at 366 mph, and the Tempest doing 387 mph.

The P-51B shines at middle altitudes and very high altitudes.

My regards,

Widewing