Author Topic: III./ JG 11 Fw190A-8 (Read 2623 times)

Angrist · « **Reply #15 on:** December 27, 2007, 03:04:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Fencer51
Stupid Question Time.

How old is your book? Mine is from 1996.

Well, this is actually Stampf's book I am looking at, but the last reprint date in it is 2001.

Angrist · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2007, 03:20:55 PM »

One other difference I just noticed....

Your spinner is a solid yellow and black, where as the picture I have it is black w/ offset yellow circle?

Just for Reference sake...here is what I am looking at. The difference in color of the grey in Profile 6, and the color of the A-8 you are doing in profile 7 is noticable here. This is a very clean scan, and exactly as the book appears.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2007, 04:23:42 PM »

The spinner is that way due to wrapping issues with the mapping. Its either solid yellow or nothing.

That is either a 74/75/76 scheme or a 81/75/76 scheme. The RLM colors of LW planes are open to debate. You can check 6 resources and get 6 different colors for any specific RLM color. It is either a grey or a grey brown. I am not even sure they did a 81/75/76 scheme.

Your CO said he would prefer the 74/75/76 version so that is what I went with.

[edit] Check your forum for a RLM sheet.

Angrist · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2007, 04:27:01 PM »

Fair enough:aok

Krusty · « **Reply #19 on:** December 28, 2007, 09:41:48 AM »

I'm not a fan of the weathering. The exhausts look too much like a pattern and curve down too steeply, and the foot scuffs just don't do it for me. I also have trouble in the scuff marks area. It takes a lot of work to get it looking "right."

Also, you have 2 halves of the spinner. It doesn't stretch as much as it sandwitches both halves together. Both halves are mirror images of the bitmap you have to work with (it takes whatever you have and applies it to both sides). What you do is you put in the stripe, like the default has, only it doesn't truly spiral. It is like a lop-sided ring. When spinning, and when viewing from 1 side, it gives the illusion of a spiral.

Previous skin spiral spinners:
From an angle that helps the illusion:
http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a8/skin1.jpg
Breaking the illusion, but still not so bad (you can see where it bends back around):
http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a8/skin4.jpg

Fencer51 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2007, 08:57:56 PM »

Per Xasthur I have redone the exhaust. Did a few other things and added some more stencils as well.

moot · « **Reply #21 on:** December 28, 2007, 09:19:39 PM »

Fencer I see only that one pic with a small portion of the top of the exhaust stain, for reference. Correct me if I'm off base here, but why would exhaust stain mottle like you've done it? Wouldn't it be more of a streak? It's like it's been sponge-patterened the way kids dab at paper with paint on a sponge.
Like the airflow of the exhaust either stains the fuselage or doesn't at all, the terminator is really sharp for airflow.

Krusty · « **Reply #22 on:** December 29, 2007, 01:41:29 AM »

^-- what he said. Better, but still needs teaking.

A minor point, but a highly visible one:

Looking at the photo of the men stepping down from (or is it "up to?") the plane, you can see the darker color by the canopy, and a lighter shade by the cowling/MGs.

It's got grey/grey on the wings, it would have a continuation of this camo on the upper surfaces. The same shades. It would follow basic patterns along the spine, but with 2 colors (rarely ever solid grey, just from what I've seen)

moot · « **Reply #23 on:** December 29, 2007, 02:12:35 AM »

I was very sleepy when I wrote that. It should read
"It looks like the airflow of the exhaust either stains the fuselage, or doesn't at all. The terminator is really sharp for something made by airflow."

Xasthur · « **Reply #24 on:** December 29, 2007, 08:09:33 AM »

The exhaust in the first shot looks fantastic.

The way the lighting softens it a bit, I think that's perfect.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 29, 2007, 02:13:13 PM »

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Originally posted by moot
Fencer I see only that one pic with a small portion of the top of the exhaust stain, for reference. Correct me if I'm off base here, but why would exhaust stain mottle like you've done it? Wouldn't it be more of a streak? It's like it's been sponge-patterened the way kids dab at paper with paint on a sponge.
Like the airflow of the exhaust either stains the fuselage or doesn't at all, the terminator is really sharp for airflow.

Thanks for the input. Please refer to Luftwaffe Colours Volume 5 Section 3 and others of that series. I am happy that the exhaust matches that shown in several photos in style and "kids dab at paper" inplementation.

Cheers.

Xasthur · « **Reply #26 on:** December 29, 2007, 08:06:52 PM »

Oh, Fencer, nice job on fixing the prop spinner.

The half spiral looks great. Well done.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 29, 2007, 08:50:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
^-- what he said. Better, but still needs teaking.

A minor point, but a highly visible one:

Looking at the photo of the men stepping down from (or is it "up to?") the plane, you can see the darker color by the canopy, and a lighter shade by the cowling/MGs.

It's got grey/grey on the wings, it would have a continuation of this camo on the upper surfaces. The same shades. It would follow basic patterns along the spine, but with 2 colors (rarely ever solid grey, just from what I've seen)

That would be a great point, if the photo was of the plane in question.

moot · « **Reply #28 on:** December 29, 2007, 10:33:38 PM »

I don't have that book. Having it, I thought you'd say why it looked so different than other fluid stains on aircraft.

Krusty · « **Reply #29 on:** December 30, 2007, 02:01:43 AM »

If it's not, I'm sorry. I thought it was.

EDIT: Other than the one profile shown, what are you using as references? I am highly skeptical that the upper surface was all one color. I could be wrong, but nothing the LW did suggested they'd just use a single grey for the top of the spine (so you see my knee-jerk reflexes are kicking in here)