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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2007, 03:31:08 AM »
Widewing,

While I always appreciate your technical details on each and every aircraft in the game which make for interesting reading. At the end of the day it comes down to SA,gunnery, a couple well practiced moves and some space from the hordes.

All the above while I agree/disagree (sorry don't have time to go through each point) is little more then hammer,rock,scissors. Yes technically Spits are superior in one aspect or more but generally they are flown by idiots and are of little threat unless they are coming in for a cherry pick. Plus they have big wings which are easy to hit and break off.

La7's are always one of the easiest kills in the game if you can catch it, I don't care what the stats say under 10,000.

At the end of the day, Yak isn't for newbies or spray and pray types. It's an aircraft that gives you parity or superiority in one aspect or another over just about every other aircraft in the game.

Plus it's a challange to try and do well in and hence very rewarding.


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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2007, 03:36:06 AM »
Widewing,

Just re-read my post, sorry don't take it as criticism. I appreciate and respect the time and information you give this community. I just don't dwell heavily on technical specifications.

Same deal goes with racing bikes, good rider can beat a candy arse on anything..   :aok


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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2007, 10:29:10 AM »
Great posts WW and Gixer :aok .


Gixer is right as well, the Yak isn't for the new pilots, there more of a intermidiate/expert pilots who are above average in gunnery and ACM, since in fact the gun package and limited ammunition of the Yak requires you to take your shots carefully.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2007, 11:03:29 AM »
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Widewing,

Just re-read my post, sorry don't take it as criticism. I appreciate and respect the time and information you give this community. I just don't dwell heavily on technical specifications.

Same deal goes with racing bikes, good rider can beat a candy arse on anything..   :aok


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I don't take it as criticism at all. You fly the Yak-9U as your primary machine. You know it as well as anyone can and have great confidence in it. That's all good. Moreover, you are correct that the vast majority of La-7s and Spitfires are flown by pilots who are generally helpless in a 1v1 fight.

What I do is test every aspect of each fighter. I make determinations based upon that testing. Then, I set out to verify this by flying the aircraft against good pilots in dissimilar aircraft.

This is how I arrived at the conclusion that the La-7 is superior to the Yak. Much smaller turn radius, better ailerons, better acceleration and speed, superior climb rate and zoom. As dogfighters, the Spit8 and Spit16 are superior to the La-7. They're just not as fast on the deck.

Nonetheless, if flown by a "candy arse", they are of little threat to a good pilot in his favorite fighter.

Unlike the La-7 and Spitfires, the Yak is an expert's fighter. It takes experience and some skill to use the Yak to its full potential while avoiding its weaknesses. That is why we don't see many Yaks, and those we do see are usually very well flown.

There are fighters that require an exceptional pilot to succeed in the MA environment. The P-47 is one. It's realm is the thin air above 25,000 feet, where it reigns without genuine peer. Down low, it's performance is merely average. Despite this, a skilled pilot can wreak mayhem by using the Jug's strengths and avoiding situations that magnify its weakness. But if he runs into an equal pilot in a better plane, he's going to have his hands full.

My point is that I rate aircraft independent of the pilot flying it. I have to do this or what we have is totally subjective. My intention is never to pee in someone's breakfast bowl, but to define performance. It's virtually clinical in nature.

When we put people at the controls, all bets are off. Especially when the pilot is a gamer, not a flight sim player. These guys want to win the map, and actually developing some ACM skills never enters their thinking. Last evening I dispatched a small raid of 110s and 190s alone, flying an IL-2. It was ridiculous. These guys were truly helpless; mere target practice. Any fighter is superior to the IL-2 air to air. Yet, they had no idea what to do.

So, Gixer and those others who may read this, it's not a reflection on you as pilots. I have the greatest respect for those who excel as pilots, and for those with aspirations to excel. It's simply an analysis of the various aircraft and their relative merits.

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2007, 02:34:47 PM »
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Alrighty, i'll start with my personal experience in my yak9u :t .



Yak9U- This baby is a speed demon, can disengage at will from majority of the planeset is AH ( with the exceptions of: 163, 262, LA-7, K4 ). But as t he saying goes, you can outturn what you can't outrun and outrun what you can't outturn.

It's a great diver Like a Jug, Turns  similar to a spitfire, and as fast as a LA7. I fly my Yak as a BnZr, TnBr ( somewhat, instantious is your friend ). It's good in the vert so you should use it when you can, but be wary of 109s with E.


Now here's the problem with the Yak, Gun ammo and Limited fuel. I would not advise shooting buffs in the Yak9U at least, you have better targets to shoot at. The range is very short, just under a half an hour on full external with no option for DT's, so you gotta be choicy on how far your going to fly and fight. The guns are very good IMO since my gunnery is very good, i wouldn't advise to take any shots farther than D600 since you'll just be wasting the limited ammo you already have. The package is consists of 2 .50cals and 1 20mm which are quite effective on snapshots.

Also note that it's easy to lose your target due to the front view bars in the cockpit, so you'll more often have to predict where your target is on close scissors and snapshots.


There's still alot of information i've left out, but i'm kind of in a rush but i'll edit my post a little later.
if you can close to 300 feet the gun will tear tails off quickly and try your shots from the tail you waste less ammo i consider the yaks great enmy is the la7 one problem with the yak is the light armor it protects against 303-50cal and canons if they hit the wing root it will wound the pilot instantly
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2007, 08:58:59 PM »
F4U all models:  
use the lock-tab on the cupholder. It keeps the glass from sliding around and spilling your scotch when maneuvering.

P38 all models:  
Don't plug the margarita blender into the cigar lighter receptacle, it doesn't support the amperage required for the better quality blenders. Have your Maintenance Chief run a heavier guage wire and fuse right off the master battery bus. (Good Chiefs actually install an on/off switch right on the stick for you!)

LA7:
The warp coils are prone to overheating. This can be really dangerous and inconvenient. Be sure to vent the plasma relays regularly when over 10K.

That's all I got.

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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2008, 03:35:07 PM »
I would take the yak over the LA. As long as the Lgay dose not run i would put my money on the yak.
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2008, 04:08:20 PM »
You in the Yak and someone like Shane in the La7, I'll bet on the La7 every time.  In short, if the pilot in the La7 is better than you are, you're dead in that Yak.  


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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2008, 04:33:52 PM »
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I would take the yak over the LA. As long as the Lgay dose not run i would put my money on the yak.


I flew the Yak-9U as one of my primary rides for a month or two.  I regularily fly the La-5 and I flew the La-7 again just last night for about my 5th time ever.

Me aganist me the La-7 would win hands down every time.

As a long-time Spit dweeb and having flown the Yak extensively I can attest that the Yak does not turn with any of the Spitfires, nor does the La-7.  Spits simply eat these planes for lunch in a turn fight and getting the Yak slow enough to get into a turn fight is a dangerous game to play.  It simply doesn't have the low speed handling to do it properly and lacks the acceleration to disengage.  The La's, while still outmatched, do this much better.

The Yak is still one of my favorite planes to fly and fight in but it's a true E fighter if ever there was one and the La-7 is better at that too.
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2008, 04:37:24 PM »
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This is my conclusion. Can I have my cookie now?



As far as my tips now that I have SpikesX looking for his cookie...
Yak-9U is a great planes overall as far as what Gixer and Widewing have said.  It is the pilot and not the plane.  Any moron can jump in a 262 and run around in it, but if he starts turn fighting a Spit or Zero he will eventually lose.  Widewing always has good post as to what he is explaining and knows the game very well... hence being a trainer! :aok   As to the fact of the La7, I use to hate the plane because so many of them were around (as well as the Spit 16).  BUT, then I learned how to fight them as well as flew them a few times to see what they can and can't do.  Learn the planes and you will see what the advantages are and it will help you in the long run.  Generally people who fly the La7 and Spit Family are bad at 1o1 like Widewing said.  Yes there are those guys out there that can fly them correctly, but it is sad when you see guys rank extremely well because that is the only plane they fly because of all the advantages it has.  I am not saying guys like Shane flying an La or Ack-Ack flying a P38... they just love those planes and they know them.  I think Ack-Ack has a picture of his P38 in his wallet! :noid
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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2008, 05:06:52 PM »
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I think Ack-Ack has a picture of his P38 in his wallet! :noid



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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2008, 09:16:14 PM »
Thanks Ack-Ack.... I am now cleaning up the Mt. Dew that shot on my screen... :lol
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2008, 09:41:07 PM »
As a general rule the pilot makes the plane. There is no doubt that at some point the raw capability of a given plane will dominate another however the vast majority of the time a window exists where the better pilot can prevail...

The real key to successfully flying a "lesser" plane is maximizing that window...which is easy against lesser sticks but darn near impossible vs someone like WW who will force a fight to his opponents weakness.

So in the end a fundemental choice exists between flying a plane with an exploitable strength(s) vs a fast majority of the planeset or learning to exploit the variables in the combat itself in a "lesser" plane. The real key here being that once the fight "stabalizes" the advantage tilts clearly to one side (as in WW's yak analysis)...

With that all in mind I'll throw the A-20 (ok its not a fighter:p ) as one of the biggest wolfs in sheeps clothing in the game. Without a doubt once the band stops playing and the energizer bunny runs down its a wallowing target barge...but with any amount of alt & E to play with its a handful.

The real Key to flying the A-20 (or any "inferior" plane) is simply to be what they are not). You need to exploit the differential...if he's fast be slow, if he's vertical be flat, if he's going "E" grab angles. Combine that with tremendous rudder authority, great zoom and amazing stability at high AoA and the best gun package in the game outside of the mossie (IMO) and you can reek some havoc:aok :furious :rofl

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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2008, 10:07:18 PM »
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Alrighty, i'll start with my personal experience in my yak9u :t .



Yak9U- This baby is a speed demon, can disengage at will from majority of the planeset is AH ( with the exceptions of: 163, 262, LA-7, K4 ). But as t he saying goes, you can outturn what you can't outrun and outrun what you can't outturn.

It's a great diver Like a Jug, Turns  similar to a spitfire, and as fast as a LA7. I fly my Yak as a BnZr, TnBr ( somewhat, instantious is your friend ). It's good in the vert so you should use it when you can, but be wary of 109s with E.


Now here's the problem with the Yak, Gun ammo and Limited fuel. I would not advise shooting buffs in the Yak9U at least, you have better targets to shoot at. The range is very short, just under a half an hour on full external with no option for DT's, so you gotta be choicy on how far your going to fly and fight. The guns are very good IMO since my gunnery is very good, i wouldn't advise to take any shots farther than D600 since you'll just be wasting the limited ammo you already have. The package is consists of 2 .50cals and 1 20mm which are quite effective on snapshots.

Also note that it's easy to lose your target due to the front view bars in the cockpit, so you'll more often have to predict where your target is on close scissors and snapshots.


There's still alot of information i've left out, but i'm kind of in a rush but i'll edit my post a little later.


Nice post.

It is difficult adjusting to AH2 flight model;  and gunnery here is, well, different, than it is in other sims.  I'm used to not firing at EA unless they are really close , but in AH2 this seems to be an exception, seems everyone here wields 500m .50 cal light sabers.

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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2008, 02:54:06 PM »
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Nice post.

It is difficult adjusting to AH2 flight model;  and gunnery here is, well, different, than it is in other sims.  I'm used to not firing at EA unless they are really close , but in AH2 this seems to be an exception, seems everyone here wields 500m .50 cal light sabers.

Which is nothing compared to the 1000m hispano lasers. Or three ship death stars. Have fun.. :D


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