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Offline JB73

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« on: December 29, 2007, 09:44:45 PM »
recently I read a news article where Warner was going to sell DRM free music on Amazon's music service.


I didn't even know Amazon sold MP3's...


does anyone here have any experience with buying these? In all honestly I am leery of buying MP3's with the whole mess itues makes, and if I pay for something I want to do with it whatever I want (legally) like make 2 or 3 different mix CD's, move it PC to PC of my own, move to MP3 players and such with out worrying about errors.

I have 2 MP3's I got from a promo with a CD I bought, and had to enter a code from the CD jacket, and all sorts of stuff, now 4 years later if I try and play the songs the player goes to a website trying to validate I can play them, but the website is no longer available (artist move to a different label). I honestly feel ripped off. here I have 2 songs I can do nothing with, all because some greedy corporation wants control over what I bought.


anyway, if you have bought RM free digital music, how free truly are you with it? is the quality good (320 bit rate +)?

thanks for your thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 09:54:41 PM »
89 cents per track and DRM free...  Sounds great.  The question will be if artist/album availability makes it a reasonable alternative to itunes store.  But from a quick glance at a matchbox 20 album, it's cheaper and doesn't have DRM, so that's a win-win for the consumer.

edit - some tracks are .89, some are .99.  Interesting price model...  That changes the equation a bit and leaves it open to debate whether any particular track should be purchased at one store or another.  itunes has a few DRM free albums so there's a good reason to comparison shop for online music now.

I've got this stuck in my brain...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WLICZC/ref=dm_dp_trk4

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 10:00:41 PM »
just get a program that strips the DRM....

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 10:10:17 PM »
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just get a program that strips the DRM....


Shouldn't have to.  Plus, in the increasingly government controlled US, that sort of thing has been made VERY illegal.  As in if they catch you and decide to prosecute, you're a felon under laws put in place in response to direct terrorism threats to state...er...homeland security.  That means the laws, even though half of the ones that apply in this case resulted from RIAA and MPAA lobbyests buying congressman, have TEETH.

Being a good little govt employee, I can't afford to pretty much have my entire life tossed in the crapper over some music.  So I'll continue sending my emails to my congressional representatives saying how displeased I am with their job performance in letting corporate interests turn non-violent and financially insignificant "crimes" into felonies with massive penalties, and keep my computer free of stuff that could result in me getting busted in case the department of state security ever decides to do a "secret warrantless" raid on my house and take my computers away in the name of state security, based on a tip from the unlicensed private investigators hired by the RIAA and MPAA who have been caught hacking into personal computers looking for any media files that don't seem to have DRM on them.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 10:22:03 PM »
Looked into it more... 256kbps seems to be the bitrate.  Not bad.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 10:27:39 PM »
Rofl RIAA/MPAA lobbyed anti-drm to patriot act? They paid good.. real good.

Even though this is an excellent news (idiots finally starting to see the light) one can only wonder if it's too little too late. I stoped buying their products long time ago as a protest and I have serious doubts if I can ever give them money again.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 10:43:45 PM »
ripley,

It's not a direct thing.  It's a combination of various bad laws.

1.  Copyright extensions, essentially infinitely renewable, thanks to Disney.  This completely violates the original intent of copyright law, which was to protect the content creator.  Now copyright protects the content "owner", not the creator, even decades after the original creator's death.
2.  RIAA/MPAA sponsored legislation making it a felony to even attempt to break DRM or encryption.  Not only that, possessing any equipment or software that could POTENTIALLY be used in this sort of activity is technically illegal.  Like I said, it's a bad law, but there are documented cases where having (for example) a non-compiled copy of the DVD decryption code was enough evidence to justify a search/seizure warrant and prosecution.

3.  Laws that make it a felony to intrude into computer systems that you don't own, even if they have no security at all.  This isn't necessarily bad, except that the law has not once been enforced against corporations that have either directly searched your computer for files (again, documented proof that the industry associations do this) or who have hired unlicensed investigators to hack into networks and even individual computers (or even simple packet sniffing at universities).  Again, it's a bad law and it's only enforced against individual citizens.

Sony rooted my computer AFTER this law was passed, and not one person served jail time or compensated me personally for the destruction of my property (my software installation).  In fact, technically, any attempt of mine to remove the rootkit myself would be a FELONY because I would have had to bypass an encryption scheme designed to hide the rootkit they put on my computer!  This is an insane situation, but that's the state of the union right now.

4.  "patriot act" and other laws that allow the government to collect information on citizens without a warrant, to subpoena private information secretly under threat of imprisonment if the person served the subpoena reveals it (as in govt requiring ISPs to turn over records, emails, lists of web sites visited, etc), and the resulting wiretaps and what amounts to warrantless searches/seizures of private property.  And of course, since it falls under the national security umbrella, in some cases the innocent citizen victim can't even complain or get a lawyer because it's all covered by secret provisions.  Again, it's a BAD LAW because it hides internal police activity against US citizens from public oversight, and also because these same laws are being used in conjunction with examples 1-3 to directly aid the recording industry.

It's a combination of extremely bad laws.  By themselves they are violations of constitutional intent and guarantees, and taken together they are an assault against the freedoms of citizens.  When a law abiding citizen must submit to unmonitored, no-oversight, warrantless search/seizure where there may be no appeal and in some cases no charges filed for years (if ever), you have a police state, not a democracy or republic.  The fact that the recording industry association is benefitting from all this is both unlucky and repulsively perverse.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 10:44:22 PM »
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Rofl RIAA/MPAA lobbyed anti-drm to patriot act? They paid good.. real good.

Even though this is an excellent news (idiots finally starting to see the light) one can only wonder if it's too little too late. I stoped buying their products long time ago as a protest and I have serious doubts if I can ever give them money again.
ditto..

honestly the last album I bought is Jewel - 0304 the one in question in my post with the "bonus" download tracks.

I won't buy a song or album until they take their heads out of their butts... needless to say my music collection has suffered immensely, pretty much nothing in my collection in the past 7+ years.

lately I have looked into 80's and 70's compilations from sources not discussed on this forum. but I admit I am out of touch from most modern music... the only newer stuff I am in to is ambient and chill stuff from 3-5 years ago, and stuff that is independent.





funny thing is what brought up this topic. here I am watching "this is spinal tap" just after a marathon of 80's on VH1 classic, just chilling on a weekend, surfing the web, kind of bored.




I want the song "Major Tom (Coming Home)" by Peter Schilling


I won't even bother to install itunes, and haven't bothered to look at Amazon "yet" but I have 250 other songs already in a torrent, with it, 320 bit rate. should I have bothered to look and buy this song? now I have 249 other songs I didn't necessarily want. do I delete them for the "principle" of it? am I being tracked dl'ing it? what if I delete the other songs? if they "catch me" am I liable for those I didn't want or have no care for?

man I hate the RIAA
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2007, 12:18:37 AM »
I stoped torrents and buying. Complete boycot.

And I found out I can live just fine without their crap. I wish everyone would do the same and let the *CENSORED WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE* starve to death.
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