Please finish developing the AvA

[MWL]

NT

[SuBWaYCH]

AvA is where you'll get some of the best 1v1's in the entire game (besides DA). TrueKill, storch, TBarone, and KONG are some of the best sticks in there. JG54 has a strong presence in the AvA, along with The Avengers.
You'll also find some class acts in there, like Dichotomy, TC, DmdJJ and asw. All 4 are great sticks and will always give a "good fight" after a 1v1.

AvA staff does a great job in maintaining the arena. All of them are great sticks and all are very helpful.

Vans, tell me, how many times you been to the AvA? 2-3 times? You probably log on at 2-3 P.M. and hope to find a fight.

AvA only gets REALLY populated after say 8:00 P.M., you can get up to 40-50 people in there.

Also, in the AvA you play by the "Gentlemans rules". If you actually went there VC, you'd learn them.

Don't talk trash about the AvA if you don't play there.

 AvA is a great place to learn, and always will be.

Case closed.

Regards,
Subway

EDIT: Vanscrews, go play Hockey or Football or something. You spend to much time on the computer.

[sparow]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
AvA waste of time, not a lot of people play in it.

With all due respect Vanscrew, you are wrong.

The quality of an arena or his players is not measured exclusively in quantitity terms. Big numbers don't mean quality. Usually, it's the reverse, where you have huge numbers, quality gets lower...

I have noticed that you are one of the players that, consistently, appear in the first positions on the monthly scores published in AH homepage.

You certainly have some valour as a "sim-pilot".  You must be quite skilled and you dedicate a lot of personal time to this hobbie. You probably like a lot this game and air-to-air combat in classic prop planes.

I think that you are beeing a little prejudiced about AvA. You could try it out for a week, at least. I would be very honoured with the opportunity to cross swords with you outside the MA's. I am sure many other regular AvA players feel the same.

I would invite you for a week trial if I could fly in US time zone...Hélas, I'm in Europe, Zulu time here, hard to find a crowded AvA most evenings...But that's where I like to fly.

I strongly believe that you would change your opinion after knowing AvA better.

Don't trash it, try it!



Sparrow

[trigger2]

Originally posted by nirvana
If I recall, WWII wasn't won by destroying a 100 yard by 100 yard town and dropping 10 troops on it.

Your right, it was won by destroying 2 miles by miles towns and then flying away saying we had more of them nukes

[VansCrew1]

Originally posted by sparow
With all due respect Vanscrew, you are wrong.

The quality of an arena or his players is not measured exclusively in quantitity terms. Big numbers don't mean quality. Usually, it's the reverse, where you have huge numbers, quality gets lower...

I have noticed that you are one of the players that, consistently, appear in the first positions on the monthly scores published in AH homepage.

You certainly have some valour as a "sim-pilot".  You must be quite skilled and you dedicate a lot of personal time to this hobbie. You probably like a lot this game and air-to-air combat in classic prop planes.

I think that you are beeing a little prejudiced about AvA. You could try it out for a week, at least. I would be very honoured with the opportunity to cross swords with you outside the MA's. I am sure many other regular AvA players feel the same.

I would invite you for a week trial if I could fly in US time zone...Hélas, I'm in Europe, Zulu time here, hard to find a crowded AvA most evenings...But that's where I like to fly.

I strongly believe that you would change your opinion after knowing AvA better.

Don't trash it, try it!



Sparrow

Nope Ive never been in the AvA and never want to be. The maps are great But if you just go in their to 1v1 just go to the DA. The flights are to long and their not worth it.
Not do disrespect people that play in their. I just think it's a waste of time flying that far to 1v1 someone.  It is more realistic then the MA ill grant you that but it's not worth it if only a few people are in their at a time.

Just my .02$

[Larry]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
Nope Ive never been in the AvA and never want to be. The maps are great But if you just go in their to 1v1 just go to the DA.
Just my .02$

That just shows your ignorance of the AvA. If you want a same plane plane load out fight go to the DA. If you want a historical battle between an axis and allied plane then go to the AvA.

The flights are to long and their not worth it. Not do disrespect people that play in their. I just think it's a waste of time flying that far to 1v1 someone.  

Again the ignorance is showing. The flight times are at least half of the MAs.

It is more realistic then the MA ill grant you that but it's not worth it if only a few people are in their at a time.

Same with the others. Youve never been there. The fights are the best when there are less then 15 people in there.


Im agenst what sparow said you may be a leet score potato in the MAs but if you came to the AvA youd bring your MA game play with you. Youd be coming in 10k about the fight and picking instead of fighting like the other MAer that stumble in.

[SuBWaYCH]

Like I said, he talks trash about an arena that he doesn't play in.

Thats just Stupid and Ignorant.

My Regards,
Subway

[Fulmar]

Why would Vanscrew fly in the AvA?  I don't see it listed here:

January 3, 2008
Main Arena Tour 95 Completed

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Kudos to the top pilots of Tour 95. Early, Mid, and Late War Tour 96 has now begun.
----->Late War
Top Overall Ranking – SHawk, runner-up VansCrew
Top Fighter Ranking – VansCrew, runner-up Lazer
Top Bomber Ranking – SHawk, runner-up BPARKER
Top Attack Ranking – SHawk, runner-up Bruv119
Top Vehicle Ranking – VansCrew, runner-up AXER

----->Mid War
Top Overall Ranking – AXER, runner-up TalonX
Top Fighter Ranking – AXER, runner-up AKAK
Top Bomber Ranking – AXER, runner-up Bigamer
Top Attack Ranking – AXER, runner-up TalonX
Top Vehicle Ranking – AXER, runner-up TalonX

----->Early War
Top Overall Ranking – Eaglehrt, runner-up Spade01
Top Fighter Ranking – Sedonaa, runner-up kestrol
Top Bomber Ranking – sprkplg, runner-up Eaglehrt
Top Attack Ranking – Eaglehrt, runner-up Spade01
Top Vehicle Ranking – Spade01, runner-up ACEWNAB

[sparow]

Hi Lutrel!

First of all, my to you and all Avengers and thank you for your presence and attitude in supporting AvA.

Secondly, let me apologise for having contributed in taking this thread a bit off-topic...I commented Vanscrew statements first and, as I was replying to you, the electric power went down and I lost my post to you...I was so angry that I gave up re-doing it, until today...

I agree that AvA should not be a glorified, on-steroids, DA, no. Even if it's focus should be clearly set on air combat, it still should be home for buffs and gv'ers aswell. What I think that AvA will not become is a "normal win the war by capturing fields" arena. That would transform it in a mini-MA with an historical plane set... I would still be there because I still would prefer it over the regular Era-MAs or Titanic-MAs any day of the week!

Panzzer presented a very good idea, a fine solution for the reset problem.

But the essence of the issue is not if we capture with 10, 15 or 50 troops...It's not if we have to bomb one hangar or we have to plaster every building in the arena. The issue here has to do with the players and his expectations...That's what makes AvA a market niche, only for a small percentage of AH players...

I see it like this: MAs are fast food, instant action, instant gratification, tribal war and ego-boasting score/ranking results.

AvA is all but this, it's gourmet food, technical/tactical finesse, ACM, team tactics, deep knowledge of one's plane strenghts and weaknesses and our opponnent's plane strenghts and weaknesses, no chess-piece tribal war, no score/ranking pressure or flashing, no land grabbing!

Some take it even further, wishing fair fights - lol, in a war sim - no vulching, no ack-hugging, no ganging, no picking, no alt-monkeying, etc...

You know, if you Avengers like to do escorted bombing runs and have fun why are you so focused on field capture? Wich, by the way, does not add much to game play...

We have tried so many different things to bring more people to AvA...Special maps for gv'ers, special setups for bomber fans, killshooter on, killshooter off, short icons, no icons, weather, no weather, strong ack, weak ack, no ack - this is a lie - perked planes, no perked planes, big maps, small maps, huge maps, you name it, we tried it!

And nothing much happened...Because I feel that AvA is not a place for the average AH player of today.

And having said this, I'll shut up, sit back and hope that a miracle happens and 3 or 4 more squadrons like yours arrive to AvA...Still 11 months for Christmas, but who knows?


Sparrow

[MjTalon]

The AvA is awesome, best fights i've had playing in there, If only it was to see some more traffic, say 40-50 people would be more than enough.


That's the only problem with the AvA, too many people think it's a useless arena, but since they've never stepped foot into it, they don't know what there missing.  It's an awesome arena, with good folks, and good fighting for those who wish to test there skills against some skilled sticks.

[Helm]

I enjoy the AVA alot.  

I think AVA would be more interesting if there was more planes in the Mid early war set to fly.  

There would be more choices = more interest

just for example:

 what bomber pilot really enjoys having only two choices to fly?   Ju-88 .....Ju87 ...... do-17 he-111 opens up some options for players

Also Russian and Japanese plane sets are too thin for any Early War interest ......1 russian fighter?  YakT ....and 0 Japanese Army planes?


but of course we will never see any more early planes cause all the players want is 1944 1945 planes.....sad aint it


Helm...out

[lutrel]

A very big thank you, thank you, thank you goes out to the AvA/CM staff for bringing the War to the AvA; I'll be good the rest of the year now.  We are loving the new settings and objectives added to the arena.  

[Shifty]

The AVA has always been the best place to fly IMO. In fact until 2007 it was the only place I'd fly. It's had it's up and downs. 2002-2003 back when the arena was known as the Combat Theater, or CT. There were usually 50 or so on a night, especially Tuesdays and Thursdays. Then it went dead .

Once the name change to AVA came it picked up for a month or so but died again. I flew in there today for the first time in months. It was a blast. I'm glad The Avengers have picked up the ball and decided to run with it. Plus the AVA staff is trying some new things, maybe it will pick up again. I'd like to fly there regularly again. Keep up the effort guys.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Larry
That just shows your ignorance of the AvA. If you want a same plane plane load out fight go to the DA. If you want a historical battle between an axis and allied plane then go to the AvA.

I just have to point out that you can have historic match-ups in the DA if you want to.



I've never been in the AvA either (Here since 2001).  I did poke my head in once and looked at the map.  Obviously I'm not the only one.  I suspect the fights are much like the EW and MW used to be.

I think a barrier to the AvA is that people don't know what to do/expect.  Much like the SEA (another arena I've only poked my head into).  People just want to log on and play, not have to review a set of rules and then hope you're not breaking any of them.

Just my $0.02 from a non-user.

[EDIT]  As an example, with the current set-up, which sounds like fun BTW (and I was almost tempted to give it a try), rather than just logging on and playing, I've got to do something (not sure what) to declare my side, then fly for that side the entire month and have to take orders from someone (not sure who) and I'm also not sure how that scoring system works so I'm not sure if I'm helping to win or lose.

It's got to work a lot easier than that to get people to play there.

Again, just my $0.02.

[lutrel]

So far it's worked out real well Baldeagle; there is not per say a declaired General online at all times.  We log on, report in on the country channel and ask what and where it's needed.  If there was nothing organized going on at the time, I try to get something going and everyone just seems to jump right in and help where needed.  I've usually just kind of used my squad to keep ownership of our assigned bases and the rest of the team just joins in.  We've had a load of fun so far.