Author Topic: Clear Cut: The Story Of Philomath, Oregon (Read 1650 times)

rpm · « **on:** January 01, 2008, 09:28:48 PM »

Anyone else see this documentary? I just caught it on Sundance Channel. Very, very good film. The story of a long standing foundation that gave scholarships to every student that graduated, donated land for schools and the efforts of administrators that moved into the district to undermine the principals of the foundation.

Seems since the money was coming from an old logging family with christian values. A new Superintendant tried to install gay and lesbian groups, abolish the dress code and more or less force his vision upon the community.

I HIGHLY reccomend watching this film if you have the opportunity.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0492947/

Arlo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:43:07 PM »

Didn't mean to interrupt crickets chirping due to some giving the thread a wide berth cause, well, it's obviously a smokescreen to cover your Godless commie agenda ... but ... thanks fo the recommendation. I'll check it out.

Chairboy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:51:24 PM »

This review seems to suggest a slightly different view, with something your writeup oddly neglected:

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Another disturbing situation has Lowther taking the barbarous initiative to publish names and addresses of SCHOOL KIDS whom organized a Gay Rights, silent inner-school protest event (Lowther PURCHASED PAID, ADVERTISEMENT space in the Local Newspaper to PUBLISH ADDRESSES of the HOMES FAMILIES of these kids and the 'atrocities and immoral actions of the kids'!!).

These stories are rarely as one sided as folks would think.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #3 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:54:37 PM »

Sometimes a Great Notion

Now that was a movie about an Oregon timber town.

Arlo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 01, 2008, 10:06:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
This review seems to suggest a slightly different view, with something your writeup oddly neglected:

(unsourced review)

These stories are rarely as one sided as folks would think.

Nor is it always as simple as presenting a different side being a valid unbiased trump card all it's own. You forgot the source. If you're wanting to provide a complete and honest picture don't forget the frame.

rpm · « **Reply #5 on:** January 01, 2008, 10:08:37 PM »

"Quid-pro-quo" 's summary on IMDB is about as far off the mark as possible. I thought the film was very even handed in it's presentation.

Congradulations to Mr. Lowther for standing up for his family's principals.

Chairboy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 01, 2008, 10:08:37 PM »

It's at rpm's link, silly.

Arlo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2008, 10:34:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's at rpm's link, silly.

Ah. Silly me. RPM's actually seen the doc and, whether his viewpoint is biased or not, your immediate reaction was to look for a viewer comment to support your own obverse reactionary bias without bothering to go much past that. Picture a bit more complete in that context. Thanks.

Guess I'm gonna watch it and form my own opinion, afterall.

Chairboy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2008, 10:40:50 PM »

Where'd ya get that?

Arlo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 01, 2008, 11:06:08 PM »

Confusing? I was wrong?

RPM recommends something he saw.

Arlo thanks RPM for the recommendation and slots the flick for possible viewage.

Chairboy quotes a viewer comment (review) on the IMDB site RPM referenced that didn't concur with RPM's opinion (unsourced but, hey, everyone shoulda seen it and appreciated it).

Arlo made the "mistake" of asking for a source to put the review in greater context and assumed that since Chairboy is quoting it that he's not in a position to offer an actual personal opinion on the piece from a first-person standpoint and is reliant on said review.

Chairboy provides said source, giving Arlo a more complete picture on how the counter-point was deriven.

Arlo thanks Chairboy for the provision and proclaims his intent unchanged.

Thanks, again.

rpm · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2008, 11:11:57 PM »

Arlo, he was just quoting the review posted at IMDB. It's not his fault it was a pi$$ poor review.

I'm probably not on the side of the issue most would would think.

Arlo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2008, 11:16:13 PM »

Nobody here's as easy to read as those entirely reliant on presumption would like to think (and like to convince others of).

rpm · « **Reply #12 on:** January 01, 2008, 11:23:13 PM »

rpm · « **Reply #13 on:** January 02, 2008, 03:26:10 AM »

I just watched the replay on Sundance and I'm pizzed off all over again.
The students calling the Clemens Foundation scumbags because they won't give them a free 4 year ride because they stand for principals the foundation does not believe in.

That's ludicrous. Why don't they try to get money from Greenpeace to start a commercial whaling operation? I guess Greepeace are scumbags, too. (well, you get the point)

Elfie · « **Reply #14 on:** January 02, 2008, 04:57:29 AM »

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That's ludicrous. Why don't they try to get money from Greenpeace to start a commercial whaling operation? I guess Greenpeace are scumbags, too. (well, you get the point)

Very nicely said.