Author Topic: Free Pizza Anyone??? (Read 1613 times)

SD67 · « **Reply #60 on:** December 31, 2007, 08:04:31 PM »

I agree, the guy had a choice about participating in a felony that could have resulted in someone getting killed.
The guy who is a passenger in a speeding car may not have even been aware any law was being broken.
It's fitting that you use an automotive example, because I am going to counter it with one. Here if you are caught driving whilst your passenger is not wearing a seatbelt and has no permit for not wearing one, YOU the driver are charged as well as the passenger because YOU had a CHOICE whether to drive anyway or not.
If the robbery had gone the other way and Pizza Guy had been shot, both guys would have been charged with first degree murder. It all comes down to CHOICE. If you choose to participate in an armed robbery, you are just as guilty of committing the crime or contributing too the demise of anyone else participating in said criminal action as the guy holding the gun.

Viking · « **Reply #61 on:** December 31, 2007, 08:19:59 PM »

Like I said ... If it works for you guys. Enjoy your police state gentlemen. And btw. happy new year.

Dago · « **Reply #62 on:** December 31, 2007, 09:13:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
There is a difference between being a passenger in a car exceeding the speed limit and being one of a pair of thugs robbing a victim at gunpoint. An OBVIOUS difference ANYONE can see. Actually two.

In case you need them illustrated.

The speeding car isn't a felony. And no one was killed.

But then, you knew that.

And YES, IT DOES work for us.

Just as a bonus. The two thugs conspired together to commit a crime. Had they not conspired and committed a crime, no one would have been shot.

Typical it has to be spelled out for Viking, he is kinda dense.

SD67 · « **Reply #63 on:** December 31, 2007, 09:37:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Like I said ... If it works for you guys. Enjoy your police state gentlemen. And btw. happy new year.

Happy new year to you too

Now back to business

Simple yes/no answers will suffice.
Did the criminal have a choice to participate in an action that could have cost someone his or her life?
Do you not agree than by knowingly participating in the crime he is just as responsible for the outcome as the guy holding the gun?
Do you not agree that this criminal should be held accountable for his actions?

If you answered yes to 2 or more of these questions, then how can you disagree with the fact he was charged with contributing to the death of his friend?
If he pulled the trigger himself he would have been charged with first degree murder. I think the confusion is relating to the misunderstanding of the way crimes are categorised in the USA. In all likelihood the charges will be bargained down to involuntary manslaughter and armed robbery (what he would probably be charged with here in Australia) and he will get a year or two if that.

eagl · « **Reply #64 on:** December 31, 2007, 11:44:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's real weak. Charging a man with murder when he hasn't actually killed anyone is wrong.

Actually, it's in line with well established US law. There have probably been hundreds of cases where everyone participating in armed robbery that resulted in a death were convicted of murder even if they didn't pull the trigger.

The whole point is that they deliberately participated in the comission of a crime aided by the use or threat of lethal force, and since a death is a quite logical outcome of such an act, there is every reason to hold them all accountable for the death.

eagl · « **Reply #65 on:** December 31, 2007, 11:46:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's unreasonable IMHO. Being held criminally responsible for somehting you did not do, intend or foresee is not justice. That's oppression.

BS. Someone participating in an armed robbery should "reasonably" forsee that a death is a possible (even probable) outcome. That makes them just as guilty if a death occurs because they "helped" just as much as if they held a victim down while another perp shot him.

FiLtH · « **Reply #66 on:** January 01, 2008, 02:22:05 AM »

"Sorry you took it so personally, but you really need to know what you're really saying when you post stuff like that." -eagl

Guess I'll just check with you before I post to make sure what I type is correct. Seriously, you need to realize all folks have different opinions about things. You were to quick to assume I was condemning the pizza guy. I simply said senseless death is such a waste. Bah, interpret it as you wish.

Dago · « **Reply #67 on:** January 01, 2008, 08:26:19 AM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
"Sorry you took it so personally, but you really need to know what you're really saying when you post stuff like that." -eagl

Guess I'll just check with you before I post to make sure what I type is correct. Seriously, you need to realize all folks have different opinions about things. You were to quick to assume I was condemning the pizza guy. I simply said senseless death is such a waste. Bah, interpret it as you wish.

I am curious, other than an old person dieing, what death isn't senseless?

And, how is the death of a thug who holds up pizza guys senseless? Makes great sense to me.

SD67 · « **Reply #68 on:** January 02, 2008, 05:30:16 AM »

I can understand where FiLtH is coming from.
Because the death was related to a senseless act therefore it is in itself a senseless waste of what could have been a fruitful life. Once again it comes down to the choices.

Viking · « **Reply #69 on:** January 02, 2008, 06:33:40 AM »

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Originally posted by SD67
Happy new year to you too
Now back to business

Simple yes/no answers will suffice.
Did the criminal have a choice to participate in an action that could have cost someone his or her life? ALL actions can potentially result in costing someone his or her life. Like driving to work for instance. So "yes".
Do you not agree than by knowingly participating in the crime he is just as responsible for the outcome as the guy holding the gun? Yes, but ... He only participated in armed robbery, not the "murder" of his accomplice.
Do you not agree that this criminal should be held accountable for his actions? Yes, but only for HIS actions.

If you answered yes to 2 or more of these questions, then how can you disagree with the fact he was charged with contributing to the death of his friend? I disagree that he contributed to the death of his friend. If he had not been there his friend would still be dead.

If he pulled the trigger himself he would have been charged with first degree murder. If I'm not mistaken first degree murder requires premeditation. I don't see premeditation to commit murder in this case (the shooter was in fact defending himself).

I think the confusion is relating to the misunderstanding of the way crimes are categorised in the USA. In all likelihood the charges will be bargained down to involuntary manslaughter and armed robbery (what he would probably be charged with here in Australia) and he will get a year or two if that.

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Originally posted by eagl
BS. Someone participating in an armed robbery should "reasonably" forsee that a death is a possible (even probable) outcome. That makes them just as guilty if a death occurs because they "helped" just as much as if they held a victim down while another perp shot him.

The man is guilty of being an accomplice to armed robbery ... nothing more. To hold him criminally responsible for the death of the other robber is unjust IMHO. In another case from the United States of Freedomland a man was charged with murder because a cop killed himself driving to the scene of this man's minor criminal offense. These laws are insane and represents an increasingly sick and twisted justice system. Again IMHO.

SirLoin · « **Reply #70 on:** January 02, 2008, 06:38:13 AM »

i plan on robbing the Pizza Pizza delivery guy today..last night i ordered a small pizza with 6 toppings(& a 40 minutes or free promise) and they never showed up.When i phoned them to report this,they were closed.

This has happened several times,the last i was put on hold for 2.5 hours before i got my free pizza..The time before that was like last night where they didn't show & din't answer the phone.The time before that they phoned me back 30 minutes after i ordered(10 min left on delivery guarantee) to "re-confirm" the order & of course to restate "40 min or free" from the confirmation...showed up 20 minutes late & wouldn't give me my free pizza!!!

Not today...i'm gonna order the same small 6-topping pizza i ordered last nite & when the box is in my hands say"thanks for my free pizza" and shut the door on him..Then i'll deal with conglomerate merry-go-rounders on the phone...Why such drastic measures?

Would you eat food,a freebie,made fresh by some pizza'd off Arab that just got trouble from head-office for not showing up again) ?

i hope he doesn't have an open-carry permit.

Viking · « **Reply #71 on:** January 02, 2008, 07:07:47 AM »

Don't do it! You might be charged with MURDER if the pizza delivery guy kills himself by driving like an idiot (most of them do in my experience).

lazs2 · « **Reply #72 on:** January 02, 2008, 07:57:53 AM »

viking.. I guess if you are going to commit a violent felony in the U.S. the trick would be to do it by yourself so that you could control the killing(s) better.

lazs