One man one vote........

[wrag]

IMHO was NOT the intentions of the Founders of this country.

They gave many reasons for their decision this only expresses a portion of that

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/02/i-dont-want-your-kid-to-vote/

Best way I heard it put was.............

"If you are not helping to pull the wagon, but taking a free ride in it while others pull, then you have NO right to decide where it is going."

They also looked at the ancient Greeks and saw that a Democracy was NOT the way to go.

They SEEMED to believe that many, once they learned the power of their vote, would vote themselves Circuses and Bread as the Romans did.

Thus we originally had a Representative Republic with a somewhat LIMITED voting privileges.....

Very often one had to show they were propertied or reasonably able to support themselves and their family, as in gainfully employed.

Part of the reason for the changes began right after the Civil War when the Confederate states did all they could to prevent Freed Slaves from voting.  In that they tried their best to ignore or prevent those blacks that had the necessary qualifications from voting.

The Founders didn't want those on Welfare voting themselves MORE and better Welfare.

The Welfare System that was already in place in Great Britain was looked at by Benjamin Franklin, who responded with an explanation as to why America did NOT have such a system but used what was known as "Poor Houses".

That system was in place until sometime around the 40's or perhaps 50's but in the 60's many things changed.

Thank You LBJ.

If you watch some of the really old movies (Circa 1930's) you can hear comments by wives to husbands about being driven into the "Poor House" by their husband's mismanagement of their lives.

People tended to rely on Family and Friends a great deal more for their survival then they do now.  This approach tended to create a greater sense of Family and Friends PLUS the added responsibility and appreciation toward Family and Friends which resulted in that same responsibility and appreciation being  applied to others as well.

You can also find references to the 2nd Amendment in some of those old movies.  I recall one where someone, ( I can remember the actors face and voice but not his name ) is telling a Politician or Rich Powerful individual that was trying to do something really BAD...  "You can't do that!  There are Millions of people out their and they're ARMED!"

[Raptor]

[sarcasm]
Blame Andrew Jackson. He's the bastard that allowed men WITHOUT property to vote! That's a downright outrage!

"The Founders didn't want those on Welfare voting themselves MORE and better Welfare."
You're right! The poor had ample welfare back then! Privately owned orphanages are more than enough:rolleyes:


I agree, lets get our better judgement for the future from 70-80 year old movies. Grapes of Wrath is a perfect example of poor people getting what's coming to them! That is until that darn government of theirs made that community for them to live in.
[/sarcasm]

[john9001]

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the NFL and food stamps?

[Maverick]

More like "wrestling" and food stamps. It costs money to see football.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Maverick
More like "wrestling" and food stamps. It costs money to see football.

It's no longer the dirt of the colosseum,  or the marble floor of the senate.

It's the phosphor dots' of the Television, and the 1st and the 15th of the month.

(I might refrain from sticking on that 1st and 15th one, though. Many things' could be substituted for that, Welfare and TV are not the only factors that make the large majority of America apethetic.)

[lasersailor184]

It's foolish to think that the uninformed voters are only those under 21.  Just take a look at the Democratic party if you need further evidence.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's foolish to think that the uninformed voters are only those under 21.  Just take a look at the Democratic party if you need further evidence.

You could say the same about the Republican Party or any political party for that matter.  It's only the idiotic and the ignorant that think the Republican Party is the party with the answers.


ack-ack

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You could say the same about the Republican Party or any political party for that matter.  It's only the idiotic and the ignorant that think the Republican Party is the party with the answers.


ack-ack

No, not really.  The great thing about common sense is that it's a one way street.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, not really.  The great thing about common sense is that it's a one way street.

Common Sense should point out the utter uselessness of supporting either the Dems' or the Republicans' anymore. They are both rotten and corrupt, to the core.

The bad thing (trying to stick to the welfare subject) is that as much as many of you despise the welfare system, as much as you loathe paying taxes, we are stuck with it. Have any of you thought about the consequences of trying to simply abolish it overnight?

Tell you all what, we oughta set up another thread, and game it out.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You could say the same about the Republican Party or any political party for that matter.  It's only the idiotic and the ignorant that think the Republican Party is the party with the answers.


ack-ack

And you are absolutely correct.

But there is a reason for that kind of mentality.
Because its far easier to be mindless and support the team and let the team do your thinking for you then it is to actually think for yourself.

"Rah Rah, goo team"

Lasersailer.
The thing about common sense is that of all the senses its the least common to actually be used

Particulary when your talking about political parties and elections

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, not really.  The great thing about common sense is that it's a one way street.

You haven't a shread of common sense.   You've proven this fact with your last two posts in this thread.

Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats.   The two party system failed a long time ago.    When you realize one day that neither party gives a damn about you or me, you'll be better informed and better off.  Until then, you are just another sheep that pledges "allegiance" to a party that can careless about you.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Common Sense should point out the utter uselessness of supporting either the Dems' or the Republicans' anymore. They are both rotten and corrupt, to the core.

The bad thing (trying to stick to the welfare subject) is that as much as many of you despise the welfare system, as much as you loathe paying taxes, we are stuck with it. Have any of you thought about the consequences of trying to simply abolish it overnight?

Tell you all what, we oughta set up another thread, and game it out.

My wife laughed Saturday when I said I was "writing myself in".   She laughed until she knew I was serious.   I'm sick of both parties.   I can careless "if I'm throwing my vote away".    At least I know I'm more honest than the candidates ever were/will be.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, not really.  The great thing about common sense is that it's a one way street.

So's a double standard (no standard at all), a blind eye, and a penchant for hypocrisy that one attempts to mask as such.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, not really.  The great thing about common sense is that it's a one way street.

And unfortunately, both parties are usually going the wrong way.


ack-ack

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
My wife laughed Saturday when I said I was "writing myself in".   She laughed until she knew I was serious.   I'm sick of both parties.   I can careless "if I'm throwing my vote away".    At least I know I'm more honest than the candidates ever were/will be.

IMHO, there is no such thing as "Throwing your vote away." That term was coined by those who don't like the fact that people think differently than they do. ANY vote you cast, no matter who it's for, is your personal statement of what you think should be done, and who you think is right. Do I think that people that voted for Ross Perot wasted their' votes? Not one bit. I applaud them for it.

It's easy, in this country, for people to lean to either the DNC or the GOP in their' party affiliation; They don't really want sweeping change, even if it's for the better. They like sameness; It's less work for them. They don't want the upheaval and suffering that all of the necessary changes' will entail. Let's watch Arizona in the next few weeks, to see how much that state changes with the new law. That will give us an idea of what's in store. How much will the people there benefit? How much will they suffer? Time will tell. It's the "prototype" for the kind of sweeping reforms' that someone like Ron Paul would institute, So we might learn something. And we might vote differently than republican or democrat.