Obama Wins Iowa Caucus

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Dago
I am always sadly amused by those who in their "generosity"  decide we can hunt with the appropriate rifle or shotgun, but still feel that is the only legitimate reason to own a weapon.

Far be it from them to recognize target shooting, practical shooting competitions, or self-defense being something we should be allowed to enjoy or practice.  I mean, if they don't choose to do it, nobody should be allowed to do it.

Following that reason, since I only choose to use a vehicle to transport me, I think nobody should be allowed to own race cars.  Let's ban NASCAR, the local stock car track, and all drag strips and funny cars.   (same reasoning, people die every year as a result of these activities, and what the heck, I don't do them, so ban them all).

If you read what I said I didn't say anything about banning firearms. Believe it or not I did take into consideration people that collect guns, go to shooting competitions, etc. I enjoy seeing exotic guns as much as the next guy, yet I have no desire to own one myself. Now if you are serious about collecting guns, shooting, hunting, etc. Then you shouldn't have a problem acquireing a gun. Then again this is my stance which differs from Obama.  
If Obama is calling for pure bans and the democratic party fully agrees, I understand your concerns and why you would not vote for him. I actually encourage you not to vote for him if that is the case.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by AKIron
What I was saying is that through their interpretation they have made law contradicting my interpretation of the constitution therefore effectively amending it.

more like "overriding" the constitution, hence the unconstitutionality argument.

[bsdaddict]

Vote Obama in '08 for Change

[Dago]

Originally posted by Raptor
If you read what I said I didn't say anything about banning firearms. Believe it or not I did take into consideration people that collect guns, go to shooting competitions, etc. I enjoy seeing exotic guns as much as the next guy, yet I have no desire to own one myself. Now if you are serious about collecting guns, shooting, hunting, etc. Then you shouldn't have a problem acquireing a gun. Then again this is my stance which differs from Obama.  
If Obama is calling for pure bans and the democratic party fully agrees, I understand your concerns and why you would not vote for him. I actually encourage you not to vote for him if that is the case.

I won't vote for Obama as he has so very little experience, and I don't agree with a lot of his actions in the past.

Yes, I am sure he will toe the democratic party lines and move to ban guns, despite any and all evidence to the contrary that it does any good or improves anything.

California banned .50 cal weapons, ask yourself why.  Can you think, or find any evidence that the .50 cal was used in many, if any crimes?  I am confident not.  It was just purely a BS political move in an emotional manner to a non-issue, and typical of the liberal gun grabbing/banning feminines this country is infected with anymore.  

So no, gun control advocates rarely operate from a position of reason, logic or evidence, it is mostly from a state of emotional fear, or a desire to try and win votes.  Ban liberals, not guns.

BTW, if it was a choice between Hillary and Obama, I would take Obama every time.

[Xargos]

You must be black to belong to the same church as Obama. Sounds like a racist to me.  I find it funny how the To Become a Member part of the website is not working now.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Dago
I won't vote for Obama as he has so very little experience, and I don't agree with a lot of his actions in the past.

I addressed that earlier and FrodeMK3 was the only one to give a response.

Originally posted by Dago
BTW, if it was a choice between Hillary and Obama, I would take Obama every time.

Which is why he will probably win. The US goes through conservative/liberal phases that usually last 8-12 years. After the Bush administration, the Republican party will be fighting an up hill battle against a fortified position.

[Delirium]

Frankly, I don't really care if the 2nd Amendment was abolished or not, I feel strongly that the wording has been stretched from states having their own militias and police forces to granting everyone to ability to bear arms.

That said, I don't really care for Obama and his views on firearms have nothing to do with it. I'm convinced his campaign will eventually implode when he has to start answering serious questions and cannot read from the prompter.

(edited for spelling error)

[Dago]

Originally posted by Delirium
Frankly, I don't really care if the 2nd Amendment was abolished or not, I feel strongly that the wording has been stretched from states having their own militias and police forces to granting everyone to ability to bear arms.

Since you fail to understand the 2nd Amendment, the intent of it and the necessity for it, it is not a surprise you don't care about it.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Dago
I am always sadly amused by those who in their "generosity"  decide we can hunt with the appropriate rifle or shotgun, but still feel that is the only legitimate reason to own a weapon.

To me the answer is easy. They get the law abiding population disarmed to just hunting guns. Then they declare a Green Emergency to outlaw hunting for enviromental reasons. Then tack on that hunting guns will be outlawed to protect the enviroment from poachers.

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Shifty
To me the answer is easy. They get the law abiding population disarmed to just hunting guns. Then they declare a Green Emergency to outlaw hunting for enviromental reasons. Then tack on that hunting guns will be outlawed to protect the enviroment from poachers.

I hope you're kidding...

[Mr No Name]

Originally posted by LePaul
I've got the same gut feeling about Fred.  His folksey approach and all is nice, but I don't see him catching on.

At this point, I think its more Rudi and Romney.  McCain has betrayed the conservatives and earned the RINO tag.  His stand on illegal immigration ("amnesty") is just one of the many things that come to mind.

I wish we had some other contenders.  Ron Paul is just noise, much like Perot was.

I too think Thompson is the sleeper in this race.  I think he wont campaign hard until AT LEAST the Jan 19  or February 5th series of primaries and let everyone else spend out and lose momentum.

I could be wrong (happened once or twice) but I look for Thompson to be a vital contender in this race.  After all, he bagged the hottie, didnt he?

[Mr No Name]

On the topic at hand... Obama won because everyone hates hillary...  Not that they like Osama... errrr Obama that much

[Dago]

Originally posted by Mr No Name
On the topic at hand... Obama won because everyone hates hillary...  Not that they like Osama... errrr Obama that much

Same reason Bush beat Gore and then Kerry.  It's sad when we have to vote for the one we dislike the least.

[john9001]

i think too much emphasis is placed on the presidency, the president is only the administrator, congress makes the laws and the budget.

[lazs2]

raptor.. if you "hope" he is kidding then you are not paying attention.. just that thing has happened in kalifornia...  many guns are banned because the makers won;'t jump through kalifornias senseless and expensive hoops..  and....

Hunting has been banned due to lead content in many areas "a green emergency" if you will... they are just getting started but they will keep at it.

Name on gun law that has prevented any kind of crime.  You can hunt or you can defend yourself or yours with just about any firearm.. there is no sense in banning one over another.

You are basing what you say on "feelings" not on fact and you are arrogant enough to think that you have the right to tell people what they can own.

look at england and australia.. that is the model.. they started restricting some guns.. then banning others.. now.. look at em.. they have nothing unless they hid em.. it seemed reasonable to "register" and "keep track of" some weapons.. in the end.. they just rounded em all up.

This is not paranoia.. this is current history.   What makes you think our gun control nuts are different?  they are in fact..  mostly the same players.

Far from us being paranoid..  it is you who need to wake up and take a look around.    Tell them in DC they are not in danger of losing their rights or new york or jersey... tell them they were being paranoid.

lazs