Author Topic: Obama Wins Iowa Caucus (Read 4175 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #90 on:** January 04, 2008, 07:55:07 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
You miss the point here. Political speeches are supposed to make folks feel good. They are not for things like laying out public policy.

Obama's speech was fantastic and inspiring. It made you proud to be an American.

The only Republican that has a REMOTE chance of beating Obama is Huckabee. And that is only if he uses his pull with God, and gets him to perform a miracle on his behalf!

SIG 220

I hate to wake you up, but it is my opinion that America is not quite ready to elect a black leader, be it republican or democrat. You have the south to contend with...nuff said. If Obama goes up against Alfred E. Neumenn, Neumenn will win.

May another 10 ti 20 years, when whites are the minority...then Obama might have a chance.

AKIron · « **Reply #91 on:** January 04, 2008, 08:13:39 PM »

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Originally posted by bongaroo
I'd hit it, the one on the right that is

No uh... soup for you, they're both on the left.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #92 on:** January 04, 2008, 08:51:17 PM »

Hillary Clinton has pledged 50 billion dollars to alternative energy programs if she gets elected. I think this will stimulate our economy and help bankrupt the Middle East.

Shuckins · « **Reply #93 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:03:19 PM »

Not to try to hijack the thread but...DAMN....that picture of Hillary will freeze your blood......

Toad · « **Reply #94 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:05:39 PM »

Well, she obviously gave the young lady standing next to her the chills!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #95 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:08:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Well, she obviously gave the young lady standing next to her the chills!

SIG220 · « **Reply #96 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:15:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
Not too much goes over my head, but I'm open to the possibilty. Can you quote the passages that "inspired" you?

What parts made you "proud to be an American," and why did it make you proud?

Unfortunately, much of the speech had vague generalities. I know that the words HOPE and CHANGE were used a lot. He also spoke about uniting the nation.

It was an uplifting and positive speech, and made you feel good about our country. The message is simple: Do not give up HOPE, Obama will bring CHANGE.

He said that he would:

1) Make Health care affordable
2) Give more Tax breaks to the Middle Class
3) Free our nation from relying on Oil
4) End the War in Iraq
5) Make America once again the land of opportunity that it used to be

In short, he will solve all of our greatest national problems. And he cited a tradition of American greatness that he would follow in, starting with the bravery of the Colonists in becoming free, and ending with the march on Selma.

Obama is much better at the politics of salvation than Huckabee. And much like Hitler, he knows how to move people with his voice and words, casting a spell over them.

Who can resist cheering wildly for him?

SIG 220

Toad · « **Reply #97 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:17:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
Who can resist cheering wildly for him?SIG 220

Uh.... I can.

SIG220 · « **Reply #98 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:17:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I hate to wake you up, but it is my opinion that America is not quite ready to elect a black leader, be it republican or democrat. You have the south to contend with...nuff said. If Obama goes up against Alfred E. Neumenn, Neumenn will win.

May another 10 ti 20 years, when whites are the minority...then Obama might have a chance.

Well, as I have said before, I do not think that America is a racist nation.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #99 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:23:01 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
Well, as I have said before, I do not think that America is a racist nation.

It is not necessarily racism. It may be stereotyping and bigotry.

With that said, considering the candidates we have out there thus far this election (and in past elections in the last 24 years) we again will be forced to hold our noses when voting...so, if there *is* a year that is an exception to my statement, this might actually be it....

However, if there were a strong candidate, be it Repub or Dem, that is white, and male, today they have a MUCH better chance than a woman or a black man.

Shuckins · « **Reply #100 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:42:04 PM »

Well...I think the country is prepared to elect either it's first female or black president....but the female would need to be a Margaret Thatcher clone and the black male would have to be of the Colin Powell mold.

Hillary may be unelectable, for she's going to be too much of a lightning rod. Obama has picked up a head of steam with the win in Iowa, but he'll need the right vice-presidential running mate to overcome the image that some have of him as being an inexperienced light-weight.

Huckabee? Don't underestimate him. He's a far more savvy campaigner than his opponents perceive him to be. Romney outspent him in Iowa by an order of magnitude....and still lost. The Huckster has the same smarmy, down-home, feel-your-pain charm that Slick Willy has. At the start of the campaign in '92 Ole Slick wasn't give much of a chance either....yet he turned out to be quite a giant killer.

AKIron · « **Reply #101 on:** January 04, 2008, 09:54:02 PM »

I'd vote for Condoleezza Rice over John Edwards. Ideology is far more important than race, gender, or appearance and anyone who believes otherwise should not be allowed to vote.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #102 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:27:45 PM »

Obama is for open borders and amnesty for illegals. Open borders... will you Obama supporters overlook that? WHY?

Rolex · « **Reply #103 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:55:57 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
Unfortunately, much of the speech had vague generalities. I know that the words HOPE and CHANGE were used a lot. He also spoke about uniting the nation.

It was an uplifting and positive speech, and made you feel good about our country. The message is simple: Do not give up HOPE, Obama will bring CHANGE.

Every presidential candidate in this election (and throughout history) has said the same thing. What has he done in the past to backup his words of bringing "change" and "hope?" He has a voting record of sitting on the fence with one finger to the wind during his short time in Congress.

He said that he would:

1) Make Health care affordable (Every president and presidential candidate has said the same thing.)
2) Give more Tax breaks to the Middle Class (Every president and presidential candidate for the last 30 years has said the same thing.)
3) Free our nation from relying on Oil (Every president and presidential candidate for the last 30 years has said the same thing.)
4) End the War in Iraq (So why is now against it, when he was for it before and voted for it? Is he slow on the uptake?)
5) Make America once again the land of opportunity that it used to be (Every president and presidential candidate for the last 30 years has said the same thing. More government does not equal more opportunity.)

In short, he will solve all of our greatest national problems. And he cited a tradition of American greatness that he would follow in, starting with the bravery of the Colonists in becoming free, and ending with the march on Selma.
(So? What is he going to do? He and you are not colonists. He and you did not march in Selma. What does Selma have to do with solving the problems of America today?)

Obama is much better at the politics of salvation than Huckabee. And much like Hitler, he knows how to move people with his voice and words, casting a spell over them.
(I don't understand the "politics of salvation." What does that mean? It sounds like gobbledygook to me.)

Who can resist cheering wildly for him?

In the harsh light of day and business, I rely on logic rather than emotion to find solutions to problems. Cheering wildly about things without looking deeper is just noisy and unproductive. It leads to mistakes in judgment.

The only change that he and his Democratic rivals want is to grab whatever change you have left in your pocket to make the government bigger.

Almost 50% of American households are now beholding to the government in some way, as employees, contractors, employees of companies with government contracts, recipients of welfare, subsidies, grants, loans, etc. This may be the last election before it tops 50%, and we're all in trouble then.

He voted for every spending bill. How do you lower taxes without reducing spending?
He voted for the war.
He voted for Patriot Act. How would the colonists who shed blood and lost fortunes feel about that?
He has no record of doing anything to bring about "change" or standing for anything during his few short years in Congress. How does that square with the flowery rhetoric?

john9001 · « **Reply #104 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:10:24 PM »

Iowa picks corn, the big states pick presidents.