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[Husky01]

Mabey limit the number of 9Us available per frame?

[Stampf]

Originally posted by Husky01
Mabey limit the number of 9Us available per frame?

or something.

Now most know I am a firm believer in the "it's the pilot, not the plane"  approach to "life", and I know some guys who can strap on a G-6 and pwn Yaks all day long...but sadly, I am not one of them.

FSO brings many of the best players in AH together most fridays for the best 2 hours of fun in the game.  Guys in here are good.  Damn good in many cases.  For me that is all the more reason to have as flat a field as possible to play on.  I don't give a hoot about GV's in FSO.  It's not what me, nor my friends signed up for.  It's fine now and again, but coming off the  holiday break, and coupled with IMO, a bad set up, it's a let down.  No biggie.

Match-ups like this one are status quo for us in the MA, and we do pretty good and have some fun with it, but look to FSO for something more realistic I guess.  Thread was opened and discussion asked for.  As a CO and active supporter of, and recruiter for FSO, I am, IMO fulfilling obligations to others by joining in the discussion.  La5's and Yak9-U's against 109G-6 and FW190A-5 in the context of quality of flyers in FSO is well,...fubar.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Stampf
A8?  Where do you see the A8 listed?  Give the axis the A8 and this discussion is over with for me.  At least Axis will have something with alittle speed that way.

Actually the A-5 is faster than the A-8 at all alts but about 1k.

Doesn't seem as bad as you point out, Stampf. It's not exactly right, but it's not the end of the world. Also, panzers are more than a match for the T-34. Most times I run across one in my T-34 it kills me all too easily.

Overall the matchup isn't too bad, it's just the Yak9U, which has a 30mph+ speed advantage over all planes but the LA5 (only a 20mph advantage), and turns just as well as the 109g6. Compare the Yak9T with the Yak9U and it's a big difference. It's like an P40B vs a P40E.

[Stampf]

You're reaching my friend, but I luv ya and thank you for the giggles

[Stampf]

OMG  I just saw something Krusty, I missed while rolling on the floor.

What A5 and A8 are you flying??

Wanna race?

[Krusty]

Well, an exaggeration I admit, but check the speed charts. A-5 is much faster than A-8 without WEP and even with WEP is faster than, or equal to, the A-8 at most alts save for the low "on the deck" (0-3k ish?) area.


EDIT: And that's the 2-gun options, I believe. You load MG151/20s or MK108s and the A8 becomes more of a pig than normally!

[Stampf]

LOL!  I was waiting for your reply bro.  I don't have to tell you to come out of the speed charts and back to the world of AHII flight simulations.

You know damn well where the fight ends up, as well as the other advantages the 8 has over the 5 in this type of set up especially.

Anyway, way off topic, as I am sure odee just made a typo when bringing the A8 into convo.

"La5's and Yak9-U's against 109G-6 and FW190A-5 in the context of quality of flyers in FSO is well,...fubar".

That's the bottom line with the "fighter" part of operation.  Ground and attack have issues too, but controlling the air, is the key to success, so the rest is just academic.

[humble]

I think its a great idea stoney and a good setup. I do have a couple of questions however on how it'll play out. We have a 45 min "GV" segment and then a 45 min "air only" segment...hope I have that right.

So initially we have a need for both ground attack and fighters. Which raises 2 questions in my mind...

1) when a GVer is killed does he wait till 45 min are up or can he launch sooner.

2) After 45 min there are no ground targets so do any remaining attack planes just land or can they respawn to fighters like there GV countrymen.

The playability of the mechanics are really my only concern...you can have a guy who flies an attack plane well either forced to sit out since he has no targets or be cannon fodder...meanwhile the GVers are upping fighters vs the other GVers and the leftovers who only had 1 life to start.

My other question in on plane set....

The russian planeset is admitedly inadequate however your missing a couple of lendlease planes that would fit. The A-20G in particular was designed exaclty for the role in question. It was used in exactly the manner your suggesting in the battle of the bulge {I know the russians used it extensivly but have no 411 off thetop of my head}. Its xceptionally capable in the ground role and can hold its own suprisingly well in the air. It would be a much better and more balanced alternative to the 9U.

If we look at the 109/la-5 and 9T/A5 matchups they almost exactly flipflop.

The A-20 and IL-2 have (IMO) an edge vs GV's while the F8 and 110 have an air to air edge (that will be variable based on the IL-2/A-20 pilot capabilities). So the "2 on 2" airwar will be almost a dead heat and the "2 on 2" GV attack "war" will have a great match up of GV ability vs air to air ability...meanwhile the A-20 can help cover the IL-2s once they expend there ords...

As noted above once the IL-2s are focused on the russians have no real air to ground capability and the IL's cant really engage the F8's or 110's (trust me the A-20 can to a degree). The 9T has no ords and the 37mm really isnt a good tank killer compared to the gun/bomb/rocket packages of the german birds...

The A-20 has a great russian skin done by Greebo and was used in exactly the role you envision...it was a ground attack plane for armored colume interdiction and the russians used it extensively in that role...its really the perfect role for it in an FSO.

[Bino]

Originally posted by Stampf
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To me this is yet another operation designed for an allied victory
...

Well, if play balance is truly the goal, why not play this one from each side, then?  

Run frames One and Two, then require all the squads to switch sides: Axis squads become Allied, Allied squads become Axis. Then run frames Three and Four with all the players flying IN the planes that they fought AGAINST in the first two frames?

IMHO, this side-switch is a bad idea only if play balance is not the goal.

[Stampf]

I probably would not participate in a side switch event, especially one "framed" around a "prove a point" origin.  No interest here in flying the red star planes, nor proving any points.  We will just have to endeavor to persevere...as the saying goes.

Nice to see ya Bino.

[splitatom]

Originally posted by TUXC
Wasn't the Yak-9U a mid to late late 1944 plane? This would be several months after the intended timeframe of this FSO. I know the Russian planeset has massive holes in it, but if the 9U is being used on the Russian side then perhaps the 109g-14 should be used instead of the g-6 for the Germans to even things out.

a yak would outrun about all the german planes ecept for the 109-k4 the g 14 does beat it on the deck at speed but cant match turning

[Motherland]

We have the Yak9T, why not use that? Theres no point in using the 9U unless you WANT the VVS to have an unfair advantage. Even though the 9T may be a BIT late (edit: NVM, the 9T would have been around in this time period), it is definately not to the extent of the 9U, and is a much more appropriate match for the Luftwaffe in this FSO.

If you REALLY want to have the 9U, you could at least give the Luftwaffe the choice to drop a few guns from the 109G6 for the performance of the G2.

The 9U literally out-everythings the 109G6, but, looking at the charts, the 109G6 and the 9T are almost equal (except in climb, but a 109 SHOULD be able to out-climb its competition )

[TUXC]

Originally posted by Motherland
Theres no point in using the 9U unless you WANT the Luftwaffe to have an unfair advantage.

Typo?

[Motherland]

I meant the VVS,

[trax1]

Originally posted by Motherland
We have the Yak9T, why not use that?

The Yak9T is being used.