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Offline colmbo

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« on: January 06, 2008, 03:48:40 PM »
Are the submissions checked for accuracy and if so, how important is accuracy?
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 04:01:02 PM »
The skins must be accurate representations of real planes that flew in WW2. When a skin is submitted to HTC it has to be backed by sources (profiles, photos and a history) from books or the web.

Some latitude is shown for the older plane shapes where the mirroring or stretching of some panels can cause skinners problems.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 08:43:19 PM »
No bright red skins with green and orange flames. No "snake skin" planes. No planes with your name in big colors all over the wings.

Must have been a real paint scheme. Now, sometimes a few sneak in (the black p-38) that are 100% unhistorical, but those are usually pulled out. We're still waiting for the black 38 to be yanked.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 10:10:35 PM »
The reason I asked is the 43BG B-24 "Dragon and His Tail" skin is wrong.  The artwork should only be on the right side of the airplane.  Is this an issue with making skins in that the sides are mirrored?
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2008, 12:54:03 AM »
I *think* you can skin each side.

Are you sure it's wrong? A lot of those fancy schemes were on both sides, it seems.


As an explanation: Could be nobody knew, and they took the best educated guess they had at the time. The skinner (rogerdee) should be on the forums. You can ask him yourself if he had a source that showed it on both sides, or if it was his best guess. You can also share what resources you have with rogerdee, and he may update it and resubmit it (if he's got the time)
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2008, 01:21:49 AM »
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The reason I asked is the 43BG B-24 "Dragon and His Tail" skin is wrong.  The artwork should only be on the right side of the airplane.  Is this an issue with making skins in that the sides are mirrored?


Interesting now that you point it out.  I guess I haven't seen a photo of the left side of Dragon and his tail.

Have you seen one?  Not doubting you, just curious as it kinda makes sense now that all the photos are right side.

The Collings Foundation B24 when it carried Dragon and His Tail as markings only carried it on the right side as it had ETO markings on the left side.

Just went through my stuff and all the photos show the right.  But that doesn't tell me it wasn't on the left either.  Not sure what to think other then nose art was most often on the left and sometimes done on the right as well.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 01:34:50 AM »
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No bright red skins with green and orange flames. No "snake skin" planes. No planes with your name in big colors all over the wings.

Must have been a real paint scheme. Now, sometimes a few sneak in (the black p-38) that are 100% unhistorical, but those are usually pulled out. We're still waiting for the black 38 to be yanked.
aw we cant put to light me and put arows pointing at the gas tanks in the zero they have a bright red 163
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 02:25:25 AM »
Snowey, that post makes no sense.  Use a minimum of grammar.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 09:16:33 AM »
He put the words "bright red 163" together...

It might have been random, seeing how he normally posts, but just in case he was attempting to make a point: The red 163 is historic. It was painted that way to copy the Red Baron's WWI paint scheme. As I recall the pilot was unhappy to find what the ground crew had done, but had to scramble with it painted red anyways. It flew at least 1 sortie that way.
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 10:37:13 AM »
Yeah, but the first part of the sentence is pure gibberish.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2008, 12:55:31 PM »
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I *think* you can skin each side.

Are you sure it's wrong? A lot of those fancy schemes were on both sides, it seems.  


Yes, I'm sure the skin is incorrect.  I used to fly the Collings B-24 when it was in that paint scheme and got to see lots of photos of the airplane and talk to guys who flew it.  It's a pretty common mistake.  There was at least one plastic model that had the dragon on both sides, there is also a display model that has the dragon on both sides.  Another common mistake seen regarding the Dragon is you'll see the stripes on the rudder in light blue instead of the the correct red so there is some bad info out there.

Not a huge deal. I noticed because that airplane is near and dear to me .
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2008, 02:03:55 PM »
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Yes, I'm sure the skin is incorrect.  I used to fly the Collings B-24 when it was in that paint scheme and got to see lots of photos of the airplane and talk to guys who flew it.  It's a pretty common mistake.  There was at least one plastic model that had the dragon on both sides, there is also a display model that has the dragon on both sides.  Another common mistake seen regarding the Dragon is you'll see the stripes on the rudder in light blue instead of the the correct red so there is some bad info out there.

Not a huge deal. I noticed because that airplane is near and dear to me .


Did you see photos of the left side of the wartime Dragon or just the Collings Foundation bird?  Did you talk to guys who flew the real Dragon?

Collings only had it on right side with the left side being ETO markings.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2008, 02:05:50 PM »
whe i did the b24 i found as many different photos and sources as i could at the time.there was a discussion bout the skin before it was finished.

All the info i had was sent i n to htc at the time the skin was submitted,unfortuantly now that info was lost when harddrive decided to eat its self.

If its wrong then if some one can provide the correct info ill have a go at redoing it when i get time.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2008, 03:19:41 PM »
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Did you see photos of the left side of the wartime Dragon or just the Collings Foundation bird?  Did you talk to guys who flew the real Dragon?


Yes, the wartime airplane and yes I/we talked to several guys who flew or worked on the airplane.

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Collings only had it on right side with the left side being ETO markings.


Well, the only ETO marking on the left side was the fin and rudder which was done to honor specific BGs. Whichever BG Association donated the most money got the tail painted in their colors. The rest was left bare as the original Dragon was with the exception of the names of Plane Sponsors and other donors to support the airplane.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2008, 04:05:05 PM »
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Yes, the wartime airplane and yes I/we talked to several guys who flew or worked on the airplane.

 


That's great info.  As I said, all the photos, of which there are many published, show only the right side.  I'd love to see what the left side looked like.

Got to fly that B24 when it was All American.  It was a fun ride.  Loud!  But fun :)
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