Dems, do you really want this?

[SteveBailey]

A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.

No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers.

Not taken out of context.  Do open borders and the fiscal disaster they mean seriously appeal to you?


http://www.lvrj.com/news/13702902.html

[FrodeMk3]

She's angling for the Hispanic vote. She know's there are a bunch of those out there now, in the south-western' states.

[Airscrew]

"People know that Hillary is the best choice for real," he said. "They try to confuse the workers, but the workers are smarter."



In the restaurant's foyer, Ruben Beltran, 53, was carryng a "Culinary Workers for Hillary" sign. He didn't know where it came from; someone had given it to him.


why do I feel like I'm watching "Wag the Dog"

[JBA]

In broken English, one woman told Clinton how she wasn't making money as a broker anymore.

"I have no income at all," she said. "So how will I survive?"

Hey I’ve got a solution,  learn English:mad:

[Mojava]

Haven't we had open borders and fiscal disaster the last 7 years?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Mojava
Haven't we had open borders and fiscal disaster the last 7 years?

Are you voting on the past?

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Not taken out of context.  Do open borders and the fiscal disaster they mean seriously appeal to you?


http://www.lvrj.com/news/13702902.html

I've said this before.

Why the right wing has suddenly become so obsessed with illegal immigration reform is beyond me. I assume they needed to "make a issue" to campaign on.

The republicans have had almost 8 years of power, controlling both ends of the govt. Yet what did they do about illegal immigration? Why is it now suddenly an issue that didn't take much of a thought the last 7 years?

Could it be they needed some issue to get behind to make the sheep scared? I'd say yea that 'likely the real issue.

Steve we have had illegal immigration issues for years and years. Even after 9/11 what did Bush do to secure our boarders? Nothing.

All the billions of dollars getting tossed out to this contractor or that contractor, yet he took away funding for the boarder patrol.

I'm sorry but when I hear Right wingers acting as if illegal immigration is "suddenly" some big issue. Well it gives me a good chuckle to say the least.

No offense meant to you Steve, I'm just posting as I see it. I'm not trying to bash the right wingers on this board either, but honestly what have the Republicans done in the last 10 years about illegal immigration? Other than talk tough that is.

I just really want to know why it's suddenly a big issue now that elections are getting close. BTW the Democrat controlled congress has given the boarder patrol more funding, even though Bush tried to stop it.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Mojava
Haven't we had open borders and fiscal disaster the last 7 years?

lol
right - it wasn't an issue before was it?

another bush hating ijit

[bj229r]

Originally posted by crockett
I've said this before.

Why the right wing has suddenly become so obsessed with illegal immigration reform is beyond me. I assume they needed to "make a issue" to campaign on.

The republicans have had almost 8 years of power, controlling both ends of the govt. Yet what did they do about illegal immigration? Why is it now suddenly an issue that didn't take much of a thought the last 7 years?

Could it be they needed some issue to get behind to make the sheep scared? I'd say yea that 'likely the real issue.

Steve we have had illegal immigration issues for years and years. Even after 9/11 what did Bush do to secure our boarders? Nothing.

All the billions of dollars getting tossed out to this contractor or that contractor, yet he took away funding for the boarder patrol.

I'm sorry but when I hear Right wingers acting as if illegal immigration is "suddenly" some big issue. Well it gives me a good chuckle to say the least.

No offense meant to you Steve, I'm just posting as I see it. I'm not trying to bash the right wingers on this board either, but honestly what have the Republicans done in the last 10 years about illegal immigration? Other than talk tough that is.

I just really want to know why it's suddenly a big issue now that elections are getting close. BTW the Democrat controlled congress has given the boarder patrol more funding, even though Bush tried to stop it.

You mistakenly assume Bush to be 'right-wing'...he isn't, nor are most of the Republican portion of the Senate. Some think it's simply the Christian thing to do (ok...there are BILLIONS of poor slobs in this world, can we take tham ALL?), and some others think these poor, illiterate Mexicans are gonna vote Republican/big business/conservative when the opportunity presents itself..( ), and some others are afraid of offending LEGAL hispanics, and don't wish to appear racist.

I think it's racist to think that all Hispanics are of a like mind on this matter---If you ever mistake a Puerto-Rican for a Mexican you will see my point. Bush isn't any different on the border than was Clinton or Bush Sr. before him

[crockett]

Originally posted by bj229r
You mistakenly assume Bush to be 'right-wing'...he isn't, nor are most of the Republican portion of the Senate. Some think it's simply the Christian thing to do (ok...there are BILLIONS of poor slobs in this world, can we take tham ALL?), and some others think these poor, illiterate Mexicans are gonna vote Republican/big business/conservative when the opportunity presents itself..( ), and some others are afraid of offending LEGAL hispanics, and don't wish to appear racist.

I think it's racist to think that all Hispanics are of a like mind on this matter---If you ever mistake a Puerto-Rican for a Mexican you will see my point. Bush isn't any different on the border than was Clinton or Bush Sr. before him

Well it's just the point I'm trying to make. Illegal immigration is just being used as a "campaign slogan" by the Republicans. If they were actually going to do anything about it, well don't yea think they would have already done it?

The simple fact is, as much as we hate to admit it. The illegals help us just as much as they hurt it. It's like a love hate dysfunctional relationship.

On one hand they cost us billions of dollars every year. On the other hand they save us billions of dollars each year by providing cheap labor. How much you think you would be paying at the grocery store for food, if farmers were paying union wages? $10 a gal milk sound good? $8 carton of eggs sound good?

The simple fact is we depend on the cheap labor illegals provide, and that's the exact reason they will never do anything about the problem. The only real solution, is to give them temp work visas.

You can build all the walls you want, but as long as there are people willing to hire them, well they will keep coming.

If we really wanted to do something about the problem, we would fine the people whom hire them. Soon as you start fining a company $5k-10k per illegal worker. Well I bet you there will suddenly be a lot less of them.

You think any politician is gonna stick his neck out there and do that? Yea right think again.

So the point I'm trying to make here, is just ignore pretty much anything a politician says about illegal imagrants because it's BS anyway doesn't matter if it's coming from the right or the left.

[lasersailor184]

No, as long as they are available to hire, people will keep hiring them.  There's a big difference between the two.  

Sure, it will be expensive immediately as they all get kicked out.  But soon, someone will invent a process for each of those things which will lower their cost.


But then again, asking a socialist to understand a free market is like asking a Monkey to understand calculus.  


Don't assume that most of the Republicans today are right wing.  A lot of Republicans supported the back room amnesty bill that ALMOST got pushed through.  If it weren't for public outrage, they would have had it.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by crockett
Well it's just the point I'm trying to make. Illegal immigration is just being used as a "campaign slogan" by the Republicans.  

The only point you ever make is that of a liberal imbecile.

[Tango]

This video clip pretty much sums it all up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4

[crockett]

Originally posted by Bodhi
The only point you ever make is that of a liberal imbecile.

Yet you act like the stereotypical right winger.. the ones that give the others a bad name. You can't seem to reply with any intelligence, just useless babble.

[SteveBailey]

No offense meant to you Steve, I'm just posting as I see it. I'm not trying to bash the right wingers on this board either, but honestly what have the Republicans done in the last 10 years about illegal immigration? Other than talk tough that is.

None taken.  Conservatives have been screaming about it for years.  Repubs "talk tough" about it to try to appease the conservatives. The conservatives are just as fed up  w/ Bush's non action as anyone else... moreso in fact becuase we feel so betrayed by Bush.

Please understand, Bush may be a republican, but he is not right wing, not a conservative.

The simple fact is we depend on the cheap labor illegals provide

Exactly what did we do before all this cheap labor?  Illegals largely replaced unions in the meatpacking industry but I noticed no drop in meat prices. Other than saying something "completely speculative like: imagine what the prices would be." Why didn't prices go down?  Show me this fantastic benefit of which you speak.

we really wanted to do something about the problem, we would fine the people whom hire them. Soon as you start fining a company $5k-10k per illegal worker. Well I bet you there will suddenly be a lot less of them.You think any politician is gonna stick his neck out there and do that? Yea right think again.

Umm this law went into effect in Az on Jan 1.  illegals started leaving before this as a result