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Offline wrag

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« on: January 11, 2008, 05:07:05 PM »
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Been watching this for years now and thinkin it's REALLY BOGUS!

Someone shoots a plane and that plane catches fire, then flys around for several minutes shooting at people.

The pilot feels NOTHING from the HEAT!

Have any of you ever been NEAR an Avgas or JP fire?

That stuff burns HOT!

Why you think the crash crew people wear those suites?

Don't believe me?

If there is a military airbase near you go see someone there (Provost Marshall) perhaps.

Get permission to be NEAR a crash crew practice.

Ask them to let you approach the fire.

IF they let you you will see what i'm talkin about!

I have a suggestion to make to HiTech and company regarding plane fires.

I'm pretty sure that there is a subroutine used for planes on fire, or for even selecting a plane that will catch fire after it is shot.

How about adding in a subroutine that is connected to the your plane is on fire subroutine!

This subroutine would do the following.

If the fire is on the left wing it would MAKE the pilot and the view move right.

If the fire is on the right wing it would make the pilot and the view move left.

ETC.

This would start within 5 seconds of the aircarft on fire?

The LONGER the flyer remains in the cockpit the more often and frantic the pilot, and view, would move around in the cockpit!

This would make flying and firing from a burning plane more difficult!

And IMHO make AHII even more realistic.

And remove this bogus suicide pilot feels no pain from the fire effect.
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2008, 05:13:41 PM »
hmmm....this could be good. might make an end to flaming zekes.
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Re: Fire and planes and HEAT!
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2008, 05:31:27 PM »
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Originally posted by wrag
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Don't believe me?

If there is a military airbase near you go see someone there (Provost Marshall) perhaps.

Get permission to be NEAR a crash crew practice.

Ask them to let you approach the fire.

IF they let you you will see what i'm talkin about!



think I'll just take your word for it.

But good idea doing something about the no consequences flaming birds
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 05:37:02 PM »
Why not just make it so they can not use there guns. This way they can at least atempt to ditch. And if the guy that put em on fire wants the full kill, then he needs to go after him and finish him off.
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Offline trax1

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2008, 05:38:45 PM »
When your flying and the plane catches fire are you sure that a pilot would feel it?  I mean your going on average over 200mph so the fires is being blown back.  I can see when the planes not moving that yes the pilot would feel it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2008, 05:40:02 PM »
Either way works for me.

IMHO the current setup, plane on fire and person flys plane around and shoots people with no problems till it explodes, is just WRONG!
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 05:45:30 PM »
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When your flying and the plane catches fire are you sure that a pilot would feel it?  I mean your going on average over 200mph so the fires is being blown back.  I can see when the planes not moving that yes the pilot would feel it.


That 200 mph wind will increase the HEAT and rate of burn, it will FEED the flames.

If your going fast enough the flames MIGHT trail after the plane but 200 mph is probably not fast enough.

Things are getting consumed in that fire.

MAYBE if the fire is far enough away from the cockpit the pilot wouldn't feel it but if it's in close like the wing root it's gonna get REAL hot in that cockpit fast!

Also the heat involved literally causes aluminum and aluminum alloys to BURN!
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 06:30:54 PM »
Yeah but still, I'd rather see HT working on something else like getting CT up.

Plus remember, in real life if that plane was on fire that pilot wouldn't just move over, he'd jump.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 06:50:30 PM »
no they should get about 30 secounds to bail and then they expload
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 07:07:09 PM »
That's a little unrealistic though. An aircraft will certainly burn for a while before it explodes, it will however get more uncomfortable and lose increasing amounts of aerodynamic capability as the flames progress.
Fire just doesn't support an aircraft the same way as clean air does.
I'd like to see at least a decrease in controllability, something to encourage the pilot to bail or ditch his crippled bird for sure
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 07:12:06 PM »
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That 200 mph wind will increase the HEAT and rate of burn, it will FEED the flames.

If your going fast enough the flames MIGHT trail after the plane but 200 mph is probably not fast enough.

Things are getting consumed in that fire.

MAYBE if the fire is far enough away from the cockpit the pilot wouldn't feel it but if it's in close like the wing root it's gonna get REAL hot in that cockpit fast!

Also the heat involved literally causes aluminum and aluminum alloys to BURN!


this is somewhat true, more air with enough fuel will make a bigger fire, but starve a fire from either and it will extinguish, as in ww2 some bomber  pilots would dive at rediculous angles to "lean" out the fire and extinguish it. it did work, but can cause compression of aircraft, or fatal blackouts, or the pilot just isnt strong enough to pull out, but it did work, and some pilots made it home using this method


i think it would be a good idea also, as being shot down by a zero you lit on fire 2 minutes ago can cause blood pressure to rise lol

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 07:13:47 AM »
i think zekes catch fire tOO easy
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 07:20:26 AM »
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Why not just make it so they can not use there guns. This way they can at least atempt to ditch. And if the guy that put em on fire wants the full kill, then he needs to go after him and finish him off.



The answer quoted is the right answer...

1.  It allows the "coolness" of a flying and burning plane...excellent visual.

2.  It takes the plane out of the fight...  This would be reality.

3.  It does allow the pilot time (albeit short) to land or bail or whatever, short of exploding in mid air.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2008, 07:44:09 AM »
When Pappy Boyington's F4U caught fire, he said it was like being inside of a furnace, and he had to bail out due to the pain and intensity of it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2008, 08:16:39 AM »
I think the best gameplay compromise could be achieved if the cockpit quickly filled with smoke that got more and more opaque till you couldn't see at all.
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