Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Rolex
Nonsense, Wotan.

You have not made any points (plural). Your only point has been to paint him as a racist and nazi by insinuation and innuendo, not by any facts.

The snarky, "it doesn't matter whether or not he's a racist/extremist," and "it doesn't matter if he is or isn't a nazi," linguistics are desperate and despicable.

Do you think Dr. Paul searched them out and asked to have his photo taken with them? People ask to have their photos taken every day and at every function. He doesn't ask for a check or quiz them on their politics. They want photos taken for their own reasons, and use them for their own reasons, as is obvious in this case.

If you don't agree with his positions, that's fine. The only "points" you've made though, have been: suckers, charlatan, racist, nazis.

Haha, that's true, Rolex.  That's like saying that Bush Sr. is an Al-Queda operative because his pictures' been taken with members of the Saudi Royal family.

IMHO, Dr. Paul still stands' on his original Merit.

[Wotan]

You have not made any points (plural). Your only point has been to paint him as a racist and nazi by insinuation and innuendo, not by any facts.

No need to lie about I wrote - it's all there folks folks to read for themselves.

What I said was:

Racists love Ron Paul:

Links and images were posted and more can be if you remain unconvinced.

The snarky, "it doesn't matter whether or not he's a racist/extremist," and "it doesn't matter if he is or isn't a nazi," linguistics are desperate and despicable.

Whether Ron Paul is, or isn't, a racist is completely irrelevant to me. If it bothers you that Ron Paul's name gets associated with racists and Nazis then email his campaign and tell him to stop taking their money and to not to take any more pictures with them. If it bothers you that I pointed this out then so what?

Anyone can go to Ron Paul's web page and see what he says about 'Racism'. What I said about Paul's 'association' with these racists in that it is duplicitous. He will say 'I don't agree with their beliefs' on one hand and take their money and pose in photos with them on the other. If you don't like that - again so what?

Do you think Dr. Paul searched them out and asked to have his photo taken with them? People ask to have their photos taken every day and at every function. He doesn't ask for a check or quiz them on their politics. They want photos taken for their own reasons, and use them for their own reasons, as is obvious in this case.

If you don't agree with his positions, that's fine. The only "points" you've made though, have been: suckers, charlatan, racist, nazis.

Here again you lie - quote where I said Ron was a racist or a Nazi. You maybe a Ron Paul fanboi and in your fanaticism you see things that aren't there. Ron Paul knows who Kelso, Duke and Black are. If you think he doesn't then you are one of those 'naive suckers' mentioned by others above.

I did call Ron Paul a 'charlatan' because he is. 'Suckers' and 'naive' were brought up by 2 others - go back and read it.

[moot]

Originally posted by Wotan
So you are saying that maybe Ron Paul is just naive? That would be incredible - 'I only took pictures with these racists because I am a good 'Christian'. The fact Ron Paul knows who these guys are - he maybe exploiting them for their donations and keeping them happy by posing in photographs with them but how do you know he isn't doing that across the board?

I don't think he was being naive.  There's a few possibilities, but from my impressions, he's probably just indifferent to their BS ideology.
 The worst thing that could come out of this would be for it to be used in a smear campaign.
I don't see why taking their money is bad.  Can you explain why?  

He will say 'I don't agree with their beliefs' on one hand and take their money and pose in photos with them on the other.

What's the contradiction?   All I see is some dumb bastards giving money that would be used for racist actions to someone that won't use it for anything racist..  The best thing that could happen would be for all their money to go to him.  Then, no matter if he wins or not, he'll have sucked those suckers dry.
I don't think he is like that across the board..  I honestly think you're reading him wrong the same way Chairboy and Rolex did you.


I haven't looked at his record in detail.. From everything I've heard and read so far, he sticks to his word.  So can you just give one example?  At this point (no offense intended) it's your word against everyone's.  I've never seen any accusation that he didn't stand by his word before, ever.
Now that I think about it, I did hear something about earmarks, but IIRC there was an interview where he explained it, and it sounded like a valid reason for his doing what he did. I don't remember the specifics, only that the accusation didn't stand up to his refutal.

As president he will be a permanent 'lame duck'. He will get nothing done with out the cooperation of congress and after 4 years those 'grass roots' folks will be disillusioned and Ron Paul would get bounced out of office. However, we all know Ron Paul won't win - even Ron Paul knows it.

That would be a shame, but I'm not so sure it would happen that way; and even if it does, it is a better outcome than Giuliani or Clinton, or Obama, etc.

[lazs2]

well.. you guys pretty much answered wotan but I would like to hear his proof that paul is a charlatan.

I say that paul being seen with nazis or even accepting money from them is no big deal.. a non issue.

I think it is even more so if he publicly tells everyone that nazi ideals are not his.

They obviously are giving him money based on everyone else being a lot worse.

I would appeal to a nazi more than I would a commie or a racist like sharpton say..  that does not make me a nazi nor does it mean that we agree on all things.

The nazis are simply right (along with most others) on a very few things.

lazs

[Tango]

Did I answer your question, SIG220?

[Shuckins]

Well, I'll try to be a little consistent here.  I thought it was a big deal when Gore accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash in a paper sack from a group of buddhist priests out in California which was subsequently traced back to the Chinese Army.  Gore is a bright guy...no way did he not know that the money was tainted.  

IFFF Ron Paul accepted money from a nazi or neo-nazi or semi-nazi group there is no way that he did not know what their creed is or what they stand for, or that their money is "tainted."  He should do the decent thing and send it back, to at least avoid the appearance of impropriety.

[moot]

What impropriety?  Unless the proportion of nazi funds are big enough, there's nothing to gain from not syphoning their resources into better things.

Akin to melting captured nazi gold into regular gold after WWII.

[lazs2]

Oh.. I think that he is responsible and should take such for taking nazi money..

I am just saying that it is no big deal to me.   I understand why they would want paul to get in over say a osamabama or hillary.    I feel the same way and for some of the same reasons.

lazs

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by moot
What impropriety?  Unless the proportion of nazi funds are big enough, there's nothing to gain from not syphoning their resources into better things.

Akin to melting captured nazi gold into regular gold after WWII.

Or using Werner Von Braun (an ex-Nazi) to head the U.S. Missile and rocketry programs' that eventually put Neil Armstrong on the moon.

[moot]

Exactly.